interaction designer offer from google: is level negotiable?

IBM xxlyjsw
Nov 17, 2017 14 Comments

3 yrs experience after masters degree. My case just passed the hiring committee and recruiter told me the offer she put together for SVP approval is L3. Should I ask for L4? Recruiter said the interviewers and hc left very positive notes and thought I would grow and be promoted soon.

Team matching just started. I don’t know about my tc yet - I think i will only know it when a team is matched.

Also Im about to get an offer from LinkedIn. Can I use it to negotiate the tc AND the title?

Last question: what do you think about design at google vs LinkedIn?


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TOP 14 Comments
  • Intel yonq56
    Two things: 3 to 4 is a big step up. At 3 years out of a masters there is going to be a lot of people already working for them that they can compare you to. So basically they’re not going to change it because it would put you in front of lots of people already working there. Your grade is just not that negotiable at your level of experience. Salary within range is negotiable though, but you need a reason to ask for more. I think there’s two things to ask them - do they hire new grads at that level ever (you should not be at an entry level position)and what grade do they hire PhDs (that’s the level you should be at)

    Second thing: NEVER listen when they say you could be promoted quickly. What they’re saying is ‘you aren’t that level now’. That’s it. If you take it at face value it also tells them that you’re willing to wait- and that hurts your prospects when it comes to promotion. They won’t need to promote you to keep you. I’m actually surprised they said this to you because it’s such a recruitment trope. They are promising nothing.
    Nov 17, 2017 9
    • Google Teelow
      It’s actually very common for google recruiters to say that. Their job is to close the candidate in shortest amount of time. People are always under leveled, hence lower comp. You should tell your recruiter you wish to be reinterviewed to be considered for L4.
      Nov 17, 2017
    • IBM xxlyjsw
      Teelow, thanks for your input! My timeline doesn’t allow me to be reinterviewed and start this whole process again...
      Nov 17, 2017
    • Google BBG9
      Recruiter here. +1 to Teelow, only way to get a higher level is to complete additional interviews. And +1, we are intentionally conservative wrt leveling — our preference would be to accidentally underlevel and have someone get rapid promo than accidentally over level and have someone end up on NI (see also: G hates to fire people, it's all part of the same philosophy of erring on the side of caution re hiring/promoting)

      FWIW, if you truly were underleveled and perform like an L4 right away, you could have a fairly quick promo (potentially within 1yr, instead of the usual 24-36 mos)
      Nov 17, 2017
    • Google sghfdsaf
      Quick promo is a myth, prepare for 2 years min.
      Nov 18, 2017
    • Google BBG9
      Quick promo probably seems like a myth because it only happens in cases when someone was genuinely underleveled, which are quite rare. The vast majority of people will take 2 yrs minimum to get promo because the vast majority of people are correctly leveled when hired.
      Nov 18, 2017
  • Google / Design outlandish
    I joined Google as a new grad designer out of masters as an L3. Got promoted to L4 after 1 year. Almost everybody who joined around me as new grads got promoted to L4 in 1 to 1.5 years. So in case you prove you are under leveled, getting promoted within a year is by no means a stretch.
    Nov 19, 2017 2
    • Amazon / Design baezos
      Can I ask for your total comp? Trying to get a sense of what lies at Google.
      Nov 21, 2017
    • Google / Design outlandish
      3 years in now. L4 - 132k, about 70k stocks/year, standard yearly bonus.
      Nov 23, 2017
  • LinkedIn / Other

    LinkedIn Other

    From the Upside Down
    I can't say much about design at google. But if you want to know more specifics about design at LinkedIn, then PM me. Happy to help out.

    Also recruiters will tell you anything to bite the bait, and everything will not be consistent once you are in.
    Nov 17, 2017 0


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