No one denies the fact that Googlers are talented. But many teams at Google are way more chill and in comfort zone. there is no drive to push the boundries. do you feel like that? Xoogler( 7 years at google) apple 2 years TC : 270k
I do not work for Google but based on my observation, Google gives the onus of pushing the boundaries to the individual instead of putting pressure on them. If you are hungry enough, you will be passionate enough to drive and push the limits. You will not have that fear of missing out or fear of making mistakes like in Amazon/Facebook. That is more important for a person to move forward and to take risks and deliver freely. If you are talented enough to prepare so hard and get into Google, you deserve the respect and individuality and also, you'll be mature enough to decide if you want to push your limits or take it easy.
Yeah, that's true, G is full of hungry people, trying to push their limits. Unfortunately, there are not enough limits to push for everyone, so talented people invented Promotion Driven Development.
cannot believe people with 9 yoe with G and A only make 270k. are you kidding?
Yeah considering OP went from G to A too. A tends to make high offers for Googlers
Gasp...We are witnessing truth being born here.
Google isnt the at the top anymore from a perspective of just TC, but when you consider the whole package: TC + WLB + perks + future resume value, it is pretty damn good
Google is huge. There are drastically different teams. Some fit your description, some are absolutely different. Ability to find good teams it's one of the main perks imo. TC depends on the level. No-one is really pushing one to go above L4.
How easy it is to switch teams internally in Google? Should we go through the whole interview loop once again?
Is it really ok to stay at L4 for like 8 years though? Will there be implicit pressure or discrimination against someone like that?
All I know is Google messed up the tech interviewing for everyone.
Google is heaven for mentally retired folks lol. You can legit chill for life, and 80% of the people do. it’s great for when you want to start a family (5 months paid maternity leave, with the option of 6+ months unpaid), but if you’re a mid 20 year old person tryna hustle google is meh. In terms of promotion the company doesn’t push you to go past L4 u RLY have to be self motivated to get past L4/L5. -* I was a previous L4 SWE
Do you mean to say.. even if we perform well at L4, you will not be promoted to L5?
It seems like the cruising level google is L4, while before it was L5, so the idea is that you can stay at L4 forever now. It seems like depending on the team If you work hard most teams promote you to L5 in 3-5 years (I have also heard that it’s hard nowadays to get promoted if ur on an internal org). However there are teams where that’s difficult now. L6 is quite a stretch goal from what I’ve heard from a non trivial amount of teams
Totally overrated. It's a great place to work but it still has its flaws and it's much less glamorous than what people would have you think. Lots of teams are incredibly boring, there's a ton of corporate BS/politics, and pay is no longer top tier. At the scale Google has grown to it's also hard to guarantee quality everywhere and there's lots of shitty tech that has slipped thru the cracks. As others have said, it totally depends on where you are in the company, what you want to work on, your role, etc.
Xoogler also. The lack of concern for the customer (esp if you've also been at Amzn) is stupefying. I've seen fellow Googlers' suggestions about a product met with massive layers of excuses for inaction just based on the fix being technically combersome. Then those devs will beat their chest about how little the others know about the technical details of the proposed change. That's partly how you get that long scroll in killedbygoogle.com. PMs are perhaps the most overrated. Dev LC skills are still top tier but you get plenty of LC specialists who are bad on the job. Leadership and management are are also overrated.
+1 on the first part. The entire company is about putting the best eng resources and skills out there without really caring about the customer. GCP is *trying* but it’s hard to change the mindset that maybe sometimes (SOMETIMES??) customers are correct lol.
No it's not overrated. Because it depends on what you want. Everyone still works smarter than other companies where you have to fight crazy politics anyway. I still think Google teaches you some of the best practices. This is my opinion based on working at ex Amazon, and current Google and my gf is ex Amazon current Fb.
What does ur gf have anything to do with this? 😂
She gives me her personal perspective in Fb vs a friend who might just give you high level talk. So just more sample of how folks feel about different places from my small circle perspective. But yeah I don't know why it matters as well. 😭