merit-based GC for indians!

Uber 1455_ma
Sep 21 94 Comments

✅lets give green cards to IIT, IIM graduates and other great Indian talents from Top 100 US schools. 👍 (and those who work at FANG, top universities and research institutes etc)

🙅‍♂️ICC abusers, H1b gamers from india, please wait in the queue. You guys caused the backlog for your fellow Indians and you deserve the wait! ❌

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  • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
    IITs and IIMs are less than mediocre.

    U.S., U.K., Canada, China, Singapore, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, etc all have mid-level schools that are better than the best IIT.

    See where Indian schools are ranked:

    https://cwur.org/2018-19.php (ranked 400s - 600)

    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings (ranked 500s - 700s)

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/best-universities/best-universities-world (unranked, lol)
    Sep 21 25
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      I see you already “cheated” there by editing your post to remove your statement that it’s expected to cheat if the class is bad and not relevant to your degree. smh

      “I don’t think cheating can help anyone get through all the way up”

      Did you not read the links above?
      Sep 21
    • HP / IT
      O(2^n)

      HP IT

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      lover of exponential time solutions😘😘
      O(2^n)more
      I edited it before your comment. After seeing the links which talked about cheating in entrance exams mostly except for the first two links which talk about cheating while being inside the IIT.

      And yes I don't think cheating in an entrance exam can make you successful. I don't see how you can even clear an exam of this level with the help of internet. Most questions are not theory questions. They require problem solving and you can't find the solutions on the internet. It's futile to try and cheat there. You'll only waste your time and run out of it with an added risk of getting caught as well
      Sep 21
    • HP / IT
      O(2^n)

      HP IT

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      lover of exponential time solutions😘😘
      O(2^n)more
      You can't cheat your way out of college and interviews is what I mean.
      Sep 21
    • HP / IT
      O(2^n)

      HP IT

      BIO
      lover of exponential time solutions😘😘
      O(2^n)more
      I do agree that copying assignments is very common here and doesn't have harsh consequences which probably needs to be changed.
      Sep 21
    • Adobe fngstained
      Hooli, just curious, why're you so interested in india? I can understand indians being interested in american affairs (after all, they're lining up to get in there, plus the US is a world leader), but your case being the other way around is rather unusual.
      Sep 21
  • Amazon tkBu41
    IIT and IIM people should work for India not US. Indian government subsidises for their education. They have the smartest brains to do anything in life. GC should be give to mediocre people because they are the ones who need support to as they lack brain power and survival skills.
    Sep 21 8
    • VMware iuubdndjd
      @tkBu41: Very well said.
      @vEyY80: Looks like someone couldn't make it to the top and is building rhetorical narratives to pacify his/her self.
      Sep 21
    • Amazon / Eng
      scalable

      Amazon Eng

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      Bloomberg LP
      scalablemore
      Iuubdndjd: vEyY80 is at Amazon, and you're at... VMware? Sounds like vEy is closer to the "top" than you are.
      Sep 21
    • Amazon vEyY80
      @iuubdndjd: your reaction highlights a problem with Indian education. What is the 'top'?

      Topping an exam set by a few average academicians with a knack for dirty politics? Ranked int'l universities can claim high research output, but can the IITs? IISc, ISI, TIFR maybe could, but only the odd IIT department can. Even int'l unis often recruit 'superstars' ex post facto and don't always develop them in-house. Somewhat analogous to soccer players and the major leagues. Real genius doesn't care much about the rat race, but only in moving humanity and its body of knowledge forward.

      All this discourages real learning and authenticity. Recently, our Indian pretentiousness was laid bare when a British student solved the IIT exam successfully in half the time, and the Indian Quora lynch mob went crazy.

      I did Math/CS at one of the (rather snobbish) Oxbridge unis, so I don't have to pacify myself. And I don't have to mention the uni I attended to intelligent people to establish the credibility of my arguments.
      Sep 21
    • JCPenney faangme
      IIMs are post graduate schools and not subsidized, IIT's are heavily subsidized. Source: been there done that
      Sep 21
    • VMware iuubdndjd
      @scalable amazon : are you sure amazon > Vmware in any metric ? Salary, prestige, work , wlb ? My best friend works at amazon and I know I earn more than him, have a better wlb and perks. In fact I rejected amazon offers a couple of times and I don’t even reply to amazon recruiters anymore. During my first interview they couldn’t match my Vmware tc. During my second time, the hiring manager was sleeping/ yawning most of the time. While other interviewers were okay, I didn’t want to work for that manager so I walked out.
      Sep 25
  • Amazon / Eng
    scalable

    Amazon Eng

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    scalablemore
    IIT/IIM grads ≠ the only meritorious people from India. Otherwise, agree.

    Let companies decide what merit means — prioritize for each role based on salary (eg. Your salary must be greater than the market average for the role you're going to join)
    Sep 21 3
    • Uber 1455_ma
      OP
      Fair enough. The merit-based scoring function should also consider tax paid per year, occupation, area of research, citations etc.

      Saw so many great Indian friends / coworkers waiting for GC for too long (unfair to them), but abusers keep coming to ICC. Sad.
      Sep 21
    • Intel GWGA84
      Bigger salary != merit. There are hundreds of fat cats getting paid shitloads of money to do nothing while the menial worker bees do all the work.
      Sep 21
    • Amazon / Eng
      scalable

      Amazon Eng

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      Bloomberg LP
      scalablemore
      Not equal, certainly, but it is the best measure of how much a company values an employee.
      Sep 21
  • Today is Saturday and it's 4:40 pm in India. Do you know why I am sitting in office on Saturday? Your "Smart" IIT kanpur CS grad took down the production system yesterday by "mistake". He was working on this feature for 2 months. Now I have to clean up his mess. If in the next 30 minutes the issue is not resolved this dumbass IIT grad sitting next to me won't have teeth left.

    We don't even have blue-green deployment setup. Because that too was assigned to him months ago.
    Sep 21 3
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      😂

      I feel your pain. But why are you fixing his mistake?
      Sep 21
    • Rubrik RLtv73
      Damn bro, I feel your pain. Hope it gets fixed soon.
      Sep 21
    • New
      {~}

      New

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      Bank of America
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      Yoe: 🦏 TC: 🐐 Still not serious about life ...
      {~}more
      Good job for supporting your coworker in time of need. But don’t forget to bring it up during retro as question on what could have been done to address this early to avoid unsustainable pace?
      Sep 21
  • EPAM Systems €@+d!çk
    Haha this Uber guy thinks education in an expensive university is some kind of a merit 🤣 or that working at some "known name" company should automatically give you a pass.

    Go back.
    Sep 21 4
    • Google !xyzzyx
      Says the person working for EPAM system. Bravo!
      Sep 21
    • EPAM Systems €@+d!çk
      What do you mean? Not sure I get the reference. EPAM is a great company. Unlike Google where nepotism is rampant and environment is highly toxic
      Sep 21
    • Google !xyzzyx
      Whatever makes you happy. I think that is why everyone tries so hard to get a job at EPAM.
      Sep 21
    • EPAM Systems €@+d!çk
      I could refer you
      Sep 21
  • Nike ✓✓
    @goog hooli, doesn't matter. who do you work for now btw..??
    Sep 21 6
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      And who is Sundar’s boss?

      Who does he report to? 🤔
      Sep 21
    • Amazon tkBu41
      Again this is not about who is the best debate, it's about giving credit to people from a certain background who have reached to top positions.
      Sep 21
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Agreed, tkBu41.

      Just fighting back against trolls like Nike. You should see his racist posts earlier. Called people from certain country “rats”.
      Sep 21
    • Nike ✓✓
      get a life son, how about your posts on degrading IITs..?
      Sep 21
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      What about it? 🙄
      Sep 21
  • Wayfair WNEm45
    To me, merit is equal to average amount of taxes paid. So the top of queue won't be by priority date, it would be the sum of taxes paid divided by length of wait.

    BTW I'm not Indian so I don't have a personally vested interest in the GC queue. I just want to optimize the US government earnings from individuals.
    Sep 21 4
    • Nike ✓✓
      agreed
      Sep 21
    • Like this idea.

      But would also consider those working at universities and research institutions. their tax paid per year might not be super high, but their contribution to this country might be high (social goods)
      Sep 21
    • Wayfair WNEm45
      I think academics are useless. They should wait in line behind folks who provide real value to society.
      Sep 21
    • New
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      Yoe: 🦏 TC: 🐐 Still not serious about life ...
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      This is an interesting way at looking at things. Wayfair, I had a similar thought till I heard about the academics who are doing in cancer research. My wife’s company (big pharma) funds a lot of these research grants. So not all are really useless.
      Sep 21
  • Joke- how do you know a person/ OP is from an IIT/ IIM- they tell you within the first 5 minutes (was told to me by one of my directs who happened to be from an IIT- oh man, was he insufferable)

    Man, talk about privilege, not everyone is form a top notch schooling background, but they for sure AF are talented, in some cases more than you with your education pedigree.
    Sep 21 1
    • VMware iuubdndjd
      Well bragging is pretty common an people always show off whatever they can. I have seen people showing off a harvard degree even though all they had was a 2 weeks short course.

      I have seen poeple who didn't even go to harvard and lying to everyone that they did.

      My roommate shows off my expensive car to his family/ distant relatives and tells them it's his. Right on my face.

      Same holds true for people who work top companies.

      Same holds true for poeple from USA/UK other high per capita countries. Every single person from these countries I have met will tell you withing first 5 minutes that they are from 1St WORLD and how 3rd WORLD is bad. Infact every brit, french i meet all brag about the fact that they like to use fork and knife.

      So, the point is show off is common. More common than you think. People like to feel better than others and will build narratives/ rhetoric to prove it.
      Sep 21
  • Oracle / Eng
    cavemann

    Oracle Eng

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    Walmart
    cavemannmore
    Let's give EB Green card a different queue with higher priority to those who have at least a US advanced degree, just like what H1b does.
    Sep 21 1
    • VMware iuubdndjd
      ... top 100, or maybe at least accredited colleges. Telugus have already started many fake colleges. They will start more fake colleges.
      Sep 21
  • Rubrik RLtv73
    Everyone is blabbering so much about iit/iim grads being meritorious and what not, did everyone forget about the reservation system in India? Sure they graduated, but are you sure that they got in only because of merit?
    Sep 21 1
    • Rubrik RLtv73
      Forgot to add : it does makes sense to have a better system for gc through meritocracy but where you graduated from does not make as much sense when talking about meritocracy.
      Sep 21
  • Mentor Graphics DesiDude
    Hehehe, you guys keep shouting at each other for how good IIT/IIM folks are (something which need to discussion). My IITian friends are returning back to India because they can earn in Crores here, and can afford 5 servants, whereas they can earn at best 450K at Bay area.
    Sep 21 3
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      At best $450k? They need to negotiate better and leverage competing offers.
      Sep 21
    • Google / Eng rheimann
      While handling babies?
      Sep 21
    • Anheuser-Busch Korona_guz
      But, they sacrifice better quality of life (air, water, commutes, diversity) do they not?
      Sep 21
  • Intel GWGA84
    Just copy Canada's points-based system.

    Oh wait.... just move to Canada.
    Sep 21 0
  • Facebook nurfherder
    USCIS needs to hire people who can do whiteboard interviews (coding and system design) and give out merit based GCs off of that.
    Sep 21 4
    • Rubrik RLtv73
      What about folks in other engineering professions? Or any other profession that has high demand for skilled professionals?
      Sep 21
    • Facebook nurfherder
      Geez. Calm down Francis
      Sep 21
    • Rubrik RLtv73
      I am calm, just asking the right logical questions :) I guess logical cross questioning is not welcome on blind, or is it not welcome at Facebook?
      Sep 21
    • Facebook nurfherder
      Most people on blind (and Facebook) can take and recognize a joke
      Sep 21
  • Amazon / Eng millnum
    Debate: What if US also evaluates "Culture fitness" along with merit? I mean that's what even companies do when they hire. Don't they? I think this will solve the culture problem that others are concerned about when more immigrants become citizens. Also, this will weed out abusers.
    Sep 21 0
  • Microsoft iuYF20
    All tier-2/3 college nibbas getting triggered, Lol.
    Sure there might be smart people in other colleges also, but the concentration is much much higher at IIT's, especially the old five.
    Sep 21 0
  • Kohl’s aaiieeoouu
    Even if country cap is removed, Indians will have backlog. Secondly, most IIT/ IIM grads won’t qualify for merit based immigration based on just a bachelors / masters degree. Merit based immigration exists in the current system as well. How many of these so called “meritorious “ IIT/ IIM people will qualify in eb1a/b category ? Almost none.
    Sep 21 2
    • Current eb1a/b are biased toward PhDs (research). For IIT/IIM graduates (undergrad or masters), they should be prioritized even without PhD
      Sep 21
    • Kohl’s aaiieeoouu
      Thats not true. Athletes, actors, models, etc qualify for eb1a. Do you think they have Phd? eb1b is for PhD and Ms students can also qualify here. If IIT/IIMs were “extraordinary ability”, they could qualify here. The fact is, they don’t. They are well paid and successful in their careers. They are not the only ones. Pretty much everyone from Asia ( Korea, China , India) are.
      Sep 21
  • VMware iuubdndjd
    OP, are you British/ British ancestry ? Just curious to see if my prediction is right.
    Sep 26 1
    • Yahoo pucs85
      Wow. I am guessing op is desi.
      Sep 26
  • Yahoo pucs85
    What is ICC?
    Sep 21 1
    • Indian consulting company, which brings many under-qualified workers (not limited to India but also other countries) to the US through resume polishing, h1b abusing (multiple applications per person) etc.
      Sep 21
  • Google / Eng
    vanostrand

    Google Eng

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    vanostrandmore
    OP, are you an IIT/IIM grad?
    Sep 21 1
  • Kaiser Permanente swatcat_27
    @1455_ma such a idiot. haven't seen such a low post in blind.
    Sep 21 0