netflix culture WTF

Microsoft SnYL20
Sep 29 75 Comments

culture section includes how they fire low performer🤯🤯🤯

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  • Amazon 😁||😆
    Low performers get cut?
    That sounds about right for paying top of the market, all cash.
    Sep 29 3
    • Microsoft SnYL20
      OP
      Seriously you are ok with it?
      Sep 29
    • Netflix bloodline
      If they will pay you 450k+ all cash and be transparent about firing, its better than not knowing it
      Sep 29
    • Amazon 😁||😆
      Yes, ok with it. They are completely transparent about it, and recommend you read the culture deck when applying.
      In other companies people get taken by surprise when put on pip, as it wasn't in the friendly welcome (koolaid) onboarding packet.

      They only hire top performers, which is why they only have one level of engineers ( see levels.fyi ).
      Sep 29
  • Microsoft blankuname
    Honestly, I’d prefer that kind of cutthroat culture than working with slackers who never do their job and depend on others to do their work for them.
    Sep 29 5
    • Microsoft / Eng leetfail
      Then why are you at MS, lol
      Sep 29
    • Google / Eng
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      Translation: you'd rather work in a monoculture where everyone lives to work and no one has families.
      Sep 29
    • Netflix / Eng OA3
      Netflix only hires seniors. And senior engineers tend to have family compared to juniors. Our WLB is pretty good. Just check our parking lot and compare to peers.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix notnotreed
      We're hiring
      Sep 30
    • Netflix HxFI27
      I've had great wlb at Netflix. Been here for 4 years now. Its a lot about honest communication. The work is challenging and interesting. Ymmv.
      Sep 30
  • Oracle
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    It also talks about how they pay more than anyone else in the market.. 🤷‍♂️
    Sep 29 5
    • Microsoft SnYL20
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      Do
      They? Even they do now how long they can keep it. Disney is coming
      Sep 29
    • New
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      Hear from a Netflix engineer that during hike they are asked to come back with what market is offering and they go and interview at places. Whatever highest offer they get that is at least matched.
      I was like ... 🤪
      Sep 30
    • Netflix THzI52
      Lol @disney. They are the stingiest studio and pay pennies on the dollar.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix IqIq58
      Interviewed with Disney out of curiosity - offer was below lame. Process was a bad day at the DMV. Not worth the time.
      Oct 1
    • WeWork feeze
      Disney pays 💩
      Oct 24
  • Microsoft SnYL20
    OP
    What tomorrow all companies adopt this?
    Sep 29 9
    • Spotify Atinlay3
      You clearly aren’t cut for that job, if you need to fret and whine about it on da internet before your interview.
      Sep 29
    • Guidewire jlingling
      I’m sure firings at Netflix are not always low performers. I’ve heard there is pressure to make cuts or you’re seen as not doing your job. Besides, what if your manager feels threatened by you. I dunno sounds like it could be get pretty f’ed up.
      Sep 29
    • Spotify Atinlay3
      And that’s why you have three months severance
      Sep 29
    • Netflix / Eng OA3
      Most letgos are on low performers. Of course if you are a jerk, you will be leg go too.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix loOQ032
      If your new manager with a tiny penis is threatend by your candor. You WILL be let go.
      Sep 30
  • Netflix RGSu87
    Probably best you withdraw from the interview, if it bothers you this much
    Sep 29 0
  • Netflix
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    A better question is, Netflix doesn’t have performance reviews, so how do they identify low performers?

    This whole culture doc is BS. It’s all in managers hand, if you get a bad one, good luck.
    Sep 30 6
    • Netflix
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      Yeah, but they become bad managers after many bad decisions. It means that multiple ICs can loose their job, before someone is tagged as bad manager. Even then, if the manager had good relations with their boss, more chances are given.

      Team change is hard at Netflix (not impossible) as hiring is team specific. You also have to stay in the current team for more than a year before attempting team transfer. Your manager can also fire you saying you are transferring because you are low performer in this team. So there’s that risk.
      Sep 30
    • Airbnb kYFK02
      The transfer rules are the same at Airbnb. Pretty normal for big companies. Netflix is just more honest about it
      Sep 30
    • Netflix / Eng OA3
      If you are a high performer and you are not a jerk, why would your manager want to fire you? His or her job is at jeopardy if the team doesn't deliver. You think the manager wants firing someone competent for fun?
      Sep 30
    • Netflix punisher💀
      If we assume a manager making bad decisions all bets are off. Anyone can be let go with any arbitrary made up reason.

      But that’s not unique in Netflix environment. Perhaps the managers at Netflix are given a tad more control over firing someone, but it happens everywhere, in any company in the industry.

      Let’s not conflate the issue of bad manager with the Netflix culture.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix loOQ032
      Unfortunately it takes too long at Netflix to identify a bad manager. Especially if that manager was once an IC.
      Sep 30
  • Netflix bread
    Wait, why wouldn’t you fire low performers? I’m confused.
    Sep 30 4
    • Netflix / Other wrthpa
      This.
      Sep 30
    • Spotify hodeicfykv
      If you think a person is performing low relative to their own past or to a potential that you see in them, alternative is putting someone on a PIP and getting them resources to overcome the reasons they aren’t performing well. Maybe moving teams or roles. I’ve advocated to let someone go before, and within 2 months of coaching, he was one of the better engineers on his team. That is a lot less expensive than firing him and starting a new search to fill the role.

      This obviously isn’t always the case, but there is an economic reason to invest in (some) low performers.

      Netflix has a different approach (“we’re a team not a family”) and I very much appreciate that they are so open about it. I’m not sure how accurate that Planet Money episode was, but it was great.
      Oct 1
    • Netflix / Other wrthpa
      What you talk about does happen at Netflix. There are a significant portion of people that identify where they need to be better and get the support to make that happen. Ultimately, though, there is a point by which investing to have someone be better is not the right call and then we let them go. I love that we don't have to make that call over a year period, but rather can determine after 6 months and move on. It's best for everyone at that point.
      Oct 1
    • Netflix bread
      Coaching does happen when people are struggling. It’s more like sustained low performance/failure to improve = let go. It’s not nearly as cutthroat as what is perceived.
      Oct 1
  • Tesla / Eng 🐉⛈
    Better to get a severance and time to look for a new job than putting you on a PIP and giving you false hope that you can turn things around... then realizing all that extra work you put in was for nothing because no amount of extra effort would have been enough. Haha, just kidding right?
    Sep 29 1
    • Netflix loOQ032
      If your manager is driven by ego, don't bother with the extra work. Take the severance. Move to me Mexico.
      Sep 30
  • Facebook public2
    Huh? This is how all businesses work. Maybe only the government has the ability to keep low performing employees. This isn't surprising to anyone is it? You wouldn't want the alternative where low performers are your peers would you?
    Sep 29 9
    • Netflix / Eng OA3
      Nobody has suicided after being fired by Netflix. I can tell you that much.
      Sep 30
    • Facebook public2
      Has that happened anywhere? Hope not, no job is that important.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix razorlab
      I heard of soldiers jump on to hand grenade to shield the blast from harming others during missions. Guess some job are worth dying for.
      Sep 30
    • Facebook public2
      That's to save your friends, it's not a job.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix razorlab
      I like to think missions come first. Nothing brings down morale more than news of casualties, especially multiple casualties. It gets everyone emotional, to lose focus, causes people to act reckless. That in the end, disrupts the mission. And in combat, I don’t think you pick to only protect your friends. In the mist of it, it can be hard to tell who’s who. Instincts takes over and you take that nade for anyone on you/your allies team, not just your friend.
      Sep 30
  • Microsoft SnYL20
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    I am on board with this, but what about people struggle in their personal life. Life happens
    Sep 29 3
    • Microsoft blankuname
      People with personal life problems usually take leave or maybe slow down for a few months or half a year, they don’t slow down with “rest and vest” attitude like forever, and be like “pass time at work and get some good money”
      Sep 29
    • Netflix laCasaDePa
      @snyl20: Talk with your manager and see what can be done? adjust expectations, time off, etc.
      Agreed with my colleague though, why do you care if you hate us so much...
      Sep 29
    • Microsoft SnYL20
      OP
      I have an interview scheduled with a recruiter
      Sep 29
  • Airbnb kYFK02
    It’s refreshingly honest. Much better than all other companies
    Sep 29 0
  • Oracle Squeakyfan
    Unfortunately it is entirely up to your manager. No recourse. No trial.

    That means a lot of times it can become political and whimsical.
    Sep 30 5
    • Netflix HxFI27
      How is this different from other companies? Can you survive at Oracle if you have manager who hates you and wants you gone?
      Sep 30
    • Oracle Squeakyfan
      @netflix

      Any manager can make your life hell anywhere. But at Oracle, as w most companies, there is a PIP process in place. And HR will pretend to help you work it out.
      Oct 1
    • Netflix HxFI27
      So you agree that's a facade. Then why isn't being transparent about this better?
      Oct 1
    • Oracle Sockets
      @netflix

      Cause there's a process in place that helps mitigate snap, sudden death decisions.

      If I didn't get along with my manager I would have a bit of a runway to check out or resolve the issue.

      I don't particularly disagree with Netflix's style. I am just saying it can be easily abused by bad management.
      Oct 1
    • Netflix HxFI27
      There are some guardrails at Netflix also. Just that there's no formal process for it.
      Oct 1
  • Uber ugufydsxv
    Alteast they are honest and transparent. I worked at FB before. The firing rate after every psc was very similar.
    Sep 30 3
    • Netflix HxFI27
      What's psc ? And fb does up or out right? Can't you coast after e5?
      Sep 30
    • Uber ugufydsxv
      No coasting at fb. The chaos will eventually wear you out.
      Sep 30
    • Netflix HxFI27
      But does management expect you to get promoted from e5 to e6 within a certain period like it does for e4 to 5?
      Oct 1
  • Netflix Nqac32
    Most companies are willing to fire people when necessary. I appreciate that Netflix is honest about it.
    Oct 5 0
  • Nike l3bronJ
    performer*
    Sep 29 0
  • Netflix / Eng OA3
    Most low performers will stay low performers, especially for Netflix that everyone is hired as a senior. If one can't get the shit done after being in the industry for a decade, what's the odds that he or she improved a lot in a few months?
    Oct 1 0
  • NetApp 296106
    Good deal. Get into pip and enjoy free money.
    Sep 29 0
  • Microsoft SnYL20
    OP
    Note that if our company experienced financial difficulty, we wouldn’t ask our employees to accept less pay. @netflix it is f***
    Sep 29 1
    • Netflix / Eng BlndrThngs
      Their offer was double what I made at Microsoft, and they are upfront about expectations. Might not be your cup of tea but it’s mine.
      Sep 30
  • Netflix alphacoder
    So you think low performers should be kept around forever?
    Oct 1 0
  • Wayfair bnKI45
    I don't have a problem with this, obviously it's quite a competitive environment so if you have a problem with that don't interview. There's also a reasonable chance you will be judged to be a low performer and get let go. If this is something your ego can't handle then again don't go to the interview
    Sep 30 0

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