(not a racist post !) To the Chinese engg in US

Google DayNNight
Dec 15, 2018 67 Comments

From my YouTube investigation, China seems like a exciting place to be.
It has great infrastructure, which might be better than in the US. There are many multi billion dollar software companies which are super innovative.
It seems like a safer country than US.

Given all this, what are the main reasons you prefer US over staying in China ?

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  • Airbnb jim.hodlen
    what I like:
    - relatively less corrupt government
    - better air quality and access to health care for non-routine issues
    - better internet infrastructure and lack of cencorship
    - cheaper cars
    - greater tolerance for less than normal behavior
    - higher hourly wage
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • Google DontKnowML
      Thanks for providing a real answer! Unlike the other trolls in this thread who are regurgitating Western journalism
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Symantec O (1)
    Preference for Democracy over communism?
    Dec 15, 2018 10
    • Microsoft marymoor
      Symantec, it's all rigged mate. Doesn't matter who's in Washington.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Autodesk / Eng Vjvcjko
      Its the leaders of large corporations and their motives and contributing as a society to produce things, its not politics we need to focus on
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Microsoft PhiEagles
      The very fact that you folks can speak whatever you like here is a proof of democracy and freedom of speech. You can’t do this in China, or if you do, your posts get deleted and, in the worst case, you go to jail.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      goldbug

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      goldbugmore
      Looks like the majority likes to fuck up the minorities (immigrants, Asians, etc) so do you seriously think we are here for that kind of democracy?
      Dec 16, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      goldbug

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      To be honest, democracy may have caused the better compensation and WLB. Although it is not clear to me. So I can’t really say I like or dislike the democracy here.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Google / Eng GAuD53
    In those companies you work from 9 to 9 and 6 days a week.
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • New / Eng blablabla!
      Damn! It's crazy. I cannot imagine how a female sde there could possibly start a family.
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng GHskann
    China is run by an authoritarian communist party. Also id rethink the whole “good infrastructure” thing. For example, China is riddled with ghost cities. Yes. Great infrastructure indeed.
    Dec 15, 2018 14
    • Amazon / Eng GHskann
      Ok u got me. North Korea is worse
      Dec 15, 2018
    • New / Eng blablabla!
      Although Chinese government claims to be communist. Their economic system is a capitalist economy, though.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Microsoft ok47
      True. I think Chinese people don't really care about authoritarian government as long as they get paid well and standard of living keeps improving. Most of Chinese people don't care about freedom of speech and internet censorship because majority of them aren't political activists. They care more about their life and TCs. The authoritarian government won't fall apart as long as people are well-fed and kept happy. On the other hand, the most democratic government can fall apart if people are starving. Just look at all the Democratic governments in Africa. When the economy goes bad and people start to starve, the government will be over thrown no matter if it's authoritarian or democratic.
      Dec 16, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
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      Ghost cities are extremely rare. As a comparison, do you consider Detroit a ghost city?
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Facebook odnafskgp
      there are more ghost towns in usa actually. look at the rust belt. that's why trump won.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Qualtrics aJOl73
    As a Chinese, it’s the people. The overall attitude towards one another feels very hostile at times
    Dec 15, 2018 6
    • Oath

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      Same in India.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Snapchat / Eng yRRz16
      yes. People in china are in general way more anxious and under more pressure
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Google Xgg1sa
      Pressure on what ways socially?
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Google lIlIlllIII
      From what I've seen of Chinese in China .. it's that if you're not in someone's social circle you don't exist to that person.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Yes, Chinese people favor ingroups and family too much to the point that they become utterly unsociable to anyone outside of that, I prefer the West valuing the individual.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Snapchat / Eng yRRz16
    money, air, democracy
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • McMaster-Carr @FANG
      What does the salaries look like for (companies like) wechat and Alibaba?
      Dec 15, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    goldbug

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    I’m in the US for money, lower work pressure, lower cost of living and simple lifestyle.
    Dec 15, 2018 2
    • Oath

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      +1
      Dec 16, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      goldbug

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      Basically if I was a SWE in China I’d have to rely on my parents to buy a house/apartment. Here I can do it on my own.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Microsoft PhiEagles
    Cause you don’t have access to Google, Gmail, Twitter, WhatsApp in mainland China - simply put, no freedom of speech under the communist regime. Also, there are too many people - think about it - 1.4 billion - the streets, the shops, the restaurants, the buses, the rails, the washrooms, everywhere, are packed with people!
    Dec 15, 2018 5
    • Microsoft ok47
      That's the least thing I worry about in China. You can use VPN to get around. China is also no denser than NYC. The major complains for most software engineers in China is the bad WLB. If you manage to climb to management position, it's actually better to work in China.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Amazon Jaiuansnja
      The question is redirect to Chinese engineers in the U.S. Obviously you are not.
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Microsoft PhiEagles
      How do you know I (we) are not?
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Google DayNNight
      OP
      Because,
      a. You mentioned WhatsApp.
      b. "Everything is packed with people" this comment does not seem to be from experience, just what you guessed.
      Dec 16, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      goldbug

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      I don’t even use Gmail, Twitter and WhatsApp and there are substitutes for Google in China.

      There is enough freedom of speech in China. And US is not as “free” as you think.

      Bay Area is packed with people as well and traffic is horrible. Big Chinese cities are packed, but they all have extensive subway systems. Most Chinese people actually like living in places with more people.

      I don’t think you are a Chinese.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Microsoft cnskksna
    I am seeing responses by non Chinese people while the question was thrown to Chinese. Too many talkers who think they know about everything.
    Dec 16, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng GHskann
      Meh you’re just racist
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Amazon Jaiuansnja
      A racist calls everyone else racists
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Microsoft cnskksna
      @GHskann, What a douchebag. How can you link this to racist? By calling everyone racist, you are just creating confusion on the term and make the problem get worse. You can change my comment to, question asked to dog owners but most of them are from non dog owners. How is this bad? Pointing out the obvious to the folks who don’t even read or ignore the question?
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng GHskann
      Negating someone’s opinion based on their race, is racist
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Facebook odnafskgp
    wlb and tc
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • Facebook odnafskgp
      actually i just feel i have become too lazy to go back and face even move faster with faster culture. half of my friends went back, and many of they have become successful entrepreneurs. no glass ceiling there.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Microsoft XAgT42
    The fact that I’m not expected to conform to social norms and just be myself
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • PayPal Main
    Air quality and less over crowding ?
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook odnafskgp
    actually if you look at recent numbers of h1b visa. chinese only used about 10% of what indian used, while the two countries have similar population. this means most of chinese educated young generation have decided to work in china.
    Dec 16, 2018 1
    • Google DayNNight
      OP
      That's a fair point
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Amazon Jaiuansnja
    In fact if hourly pay in China goes higher, a lot will go back. It is just not there yet.
    Dec 15, 2018 0
  • What captured my attention the most were the omnipresence of cameras everywhere, literally everywhere.
    Dec 15, 2018 2
    • Google Oces12
      Common people in China actually think that as something positive: they are becoming more and more indispensable in crime investigations
      Dec 15, 2018
    • Amazon Jaiuansnja
      Chinese believe an honest/righteous people should be open in all his actions. You may think their privacy is compromised. But most Chinese people don’t think so and welcome such initiatives. If you try to ‘free’ them, they won’t be grateful.
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Apple alidada
    I think many Chinese are still debating on that as well. China seems to be well positioned for the next decade. One major reason is reluctance to move and the other one is fear to move.

    1. In US, if you have already find a good job with steady income, it’s less attractive to move, unless there is an incentive which exceeds this reluctance.

    2. Uncertainty creates fear. Moving back to China means start over again and there are so many uncertainties with that move, results in Fear of living in a worse lifestyle.

    However, above two only applies to normal Chinese working in US with a good job. A lot of Chinese still left US and went back to China because they can’t find a good job here. A Small portion of super rich Chinese still want to go back to China to help with family business. Of course, there are also a few nationalist Chinese who always think US as imperialist and wants to go back to China.
    Dec 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft ok47
      Nationalists bark louder than action.
      Dec 15, 2018
  • Google montasoul
    Money, house. All other reasons are bullshit.
    Aug 15 0
  • Quora mDXn01
    Make americans unemployed
    Jan 26 0

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