Compensation

Sharing my offer numbers from big companies for your reference

Facebook / Eng
serially

FacebookEng

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Nov 27, 2017

I see many questions on compensation here and would like to help answer some of them with the limited data I have. I'd like to shed some light on what the industry is paying and also encourage people to negotiate hard.

I went on an interviewing spree recently with the big companies for an SWE position and would like to share some offer numbers. The numbers below are all annual figures. I have two years of professional experience.

1) Google - 140k base, 100k RSUs, 50k sign on, 15% bonus

2) Facebook - 160k base, 75k RSUs, 75k sign on, 10% bonus

3) Lyft - 170k base, 180k RSUs, 20k sign on

4) Dropbox - 160k base, 115k RSUs, 10k sign on

5) Airbnb - 150k base, 75k RSUs, 15k sign on

6) Palantir - 150k base, 50k stock options, 25k sign on, 25k bonus

TWO years of experience, figures above are ANNUAL.

I chose FB in the end because the TC was among the highest and I resonate with FB's move fast culture. I enjoyed talking to FB interviewers the most and they made me feel very welcome. Lyft's offer was great but it's not public after all (yet) and I'm more risk adverse. Also, the commute up to SF everyday will kill me.

Curious to know which you would have chosen if you were in my shoes.

EDIT - many commenters are asking similar questions, I'll answer them once and for all here:

1. How did you go about having so many overlapping offers?

I did my phone screens early and arranged all the onsites together at a later date. There was a huge gap between some of my phone screens and onsites. I set recruiter expectations early and told them when I would make a decision. I held some offers for close to a month.

2. What's your background?

Two years of professional experience. Bachelors. Non-ivy league school. Previously from a unicorn startup. I'm mentioning these because people ask, not that I think they matter.

3. How did you prepare for the interviews?

Sadly, do lots of LeetCode. I wouldn't say my method was very optimal as I spent two months and did around 200-300 questions before the interviews. Did all the easy questions, half the medium and a fifth of the hard ones. It's important to get both quantity and quality such that you can identify the pattern of questions on first sight and know what technique to apply. Cover a variety of topics. Don't have the mentality that you won't be tested on DP. Till this day I still do LeetCode for fun as I enjoy doing them. It has become a lifestyle for me. I also used mock interview practice sites. I didn't practice much system design questions as I felt that I was pretty strong in design for my field.

4. Are you bullshitting?

You can believe what you like since it's anonymous after all. Some commenters do agree that such numbers are possible, and they're totally right.

5. Did you get rejected anywhere?

Yes, I got rejected by some smaller startups at the onsite stage.

6. Why didn't you apply to Microsoft, Amazon, Apple <insert big name here>?

I did. I applied to every big company out there. But the application process of large companies is so noisy that chances of getting noticed are so low. Thankfully I had FB and Google referrals else I doubt I would have gotten a reply at all.

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  • Microsoftyuoh55
    Could you please share some insights on interview philosophies for these companies? Where did you feel the interview process was easy or difficult.
    Nov 28, 20170
  • LinkedInzwKL72
    Look, OP is clearly a rockstar. Even good people get rejected from interviews. I would suspect these offers are near the high end from all these companies. If your salary is less it doesn’t mean you are underpaid.
    Nov 28, 20174
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      I like to think that I lucked out this time. Interviewing success is a function of skill + preparation + luck
      Nov 28, 2017
    • MicrosoftFber
      Agreed with OP on the luck aspect and Kudos for recognizing as such. I had similar numbers before coming to FB and thought many of my co workers were more capable than me. Much respect.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • GoogletQoL36
      ^this. I like you, Op!
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Wow. Most likeable humble bragger of all time apparently 😂
      Nov 29, 2017
  • Ciscojfpg
    Noob question: do you also negotiate the year end bonus, or is that a standard?
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Year end bonuses are pretty standard at FB and Google. It depends on your level, company performance and individual performance. Haven't heard of anyone negotiating year end bonus. Sign on bonuses are very negotiable though.
      Nov 28, 2017
  • Ciscojfpg
    How many iterations of bidding can you do with companies in question? Did the ones that got outbid like Airbnb refuse to increase their numbers beyond a point?
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Not really. Just once. Some of the offers like Airbnb and Palantir weren't even negotiated because I was just focusing on FB and Google
      Dec 7, 2017
  • Credit KarmaVeganBacon
    Did you get rejected anywhere?
    Nov 28, 20179
    • Box / EngObiUno
      I'm going to guess, no. Haha
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Yes, I got rejected from Instacart and Asana.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Phone or in person?
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Onsites. I passed all my phone screens
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Googlefmlll
      How was Asana interview. Why did you get rejected? Is it harder than FB/G
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      It was an even split on algorithms and design questions and almost all the questions were done on a whiteboard. I would say they're harder than FB and G.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Googlefmlll
      So they didn't ask much algo and coding problems but design?
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      They did. Each session had one algo one design. 4 sessions in total.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Asana / Engimrandom
      I think I need a raise...
      Nov 29, 2017
  • AmazonWkDI07
    Are these offers based in Bay Area ?
    Nov 28, 20171
  • MarvellkgLv35
    Others have implied this already. But do you think your numbers are this high directly related to interview performance?
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      I didn't do well for all companies. Fumbled in one or two questions. So I would say it has to do with the quality and quantity of the offers
      Nov 29, 2017
  • Intel / Eng
    SciTex

    IntelEng

    BIO
    Work at Intel
    SciTexmore
    Thank you for this well organized information. Best way to increase your pay is to look at what the market needs and be willing to jump companies.
    Nov 28, 20170
  • Inteltheil
    70k sign on is huge. Any idea of how much it's taxed and how long do you have to stay at FB to receive it. I'm assuming also it's not lump sum? Congratulations.
    Nov 28, 20174
    • At the end, it's taxed as part of ur normal salary ..
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Facebook / Enginstandidl
      Bonus is added to your normal income for taxation.

      Likely it is prorated if you leave before 1 year.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Pure Storageoiuytr
      My last sign on was taxed upfront 45%.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Facebook / Enginstandidl
      That’s the withholding. It’s still taxed like normal income.
      Nov 29, 2017
  • MicrosoftMaeR14
    How did you prep for system design interviews ?
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Didn't really prepare for them. System design was quite natural to me
      Dec 7, 2017
  • Microsoftill🥃2that
    I love the fact you tell us you went to a non-ivy league school.

    Like it matters lol
    Nov 28, 20176
    • GoogletQoL36
      people asked him and have the incorrect notion that schools mattered.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Microsoftill🥃2that
      School matters just IMO not whether it's ivy league or not
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Nvidiaqwerk
      Yeah I've never had the impression that Ivy League matters in tech. Top CS/EE schools are not Ivy League
      Nov 28, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      ^ exactly. Out of the top cs schools - Berkeley, caltech, MIT, CMU, and Stanford - none are ivy league.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Microsoftill🥃2that
      I mean where did the idea that ivy league schools are so great come from? I only think of them as schools for the kids of rich people.

      Stop and think for a second. How does the son of a rich person get automatically accepted, but another kid has to jump through a million hoops to get in?

      Simple, the school isn't for the latter and the barrier of entry is high so he doesn't get in.

      I always feel like immigrants came here and mistook the ivy leagues for something they are not.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      I've heard the main advantage of an ivy league are the connections. But if you go to Berkeley or Stanford, I'm sure you can get your similar value in connections at tech companies.

      I think half the value of having gone to Berkeley for me is the connections.
      Nov 29, 2017
  • AirbnbBlahkot
    You mentioned you needed referrals to get Google and Facebook? Does a unicorn startup not have enough name recognition to get an interview at Facebook or Google?
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Yep. I think you are making some incorrect assumptions but I'll leave it as that for the sake of preserving my anonymity.
      Nov 28, 2017
  • QualtricsQ123
    Congrats OP. That's quite an accomplishment. Curious, did you tell about the real reason why you are looking for a new job? Recruiters usually try to low-ball if they feel you're in a rush to leave.
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      I told them the real reasons, but I didn't tell them all the reasons, especially my unhappiness at my previous job
      Nov 28, 2017
  • SnapchatGordonCole
    OP: Did you interview at Apple? If you didn’t why not? If you did what happened?
    Nov 28, 20172
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      My friend referred me to Apple but I never got called up
      Nov 28, 2017
    • SnapchatGordonCole
      Thanks for the info!
      Nov 28, 2017
  • Airbnb
    NewAirFam

    Airbnb

    PRE
    Pandora
    NewAirFammore
    Wow. You must be rockstar.
    Nov 28, 20171
    • Pure Storageoiuytr
      Not necessarily. I’m not a rockstar and I got similar offers. I just practiced and was really good at interviewing!
      Nov 29, 2017
  • And he still can’t afford a home on the peninsula...
    Nov 28, 20174
    • Facebook / Enginstandidl
      2 years into their career.... why should they expect to be able to buy a home....?
      Nov 28, 2017
    • AppleBnhjk56
      Why can’t he afford? Lot of homes all over east bay are within $1M
      Nov 28, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Gooooood

      MicrosoftEng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Goooooodmore
      FHA loan requires only 3% for downpayment.
      Nov 28, 2017
    • LinkedInwnvg41
      Almost no houses in the Bay Area qualify for FHA mortgages
      Dec 7, 2017
  • Netflixj5x
    Thank you for sharing. Amazing for someone your age.
    Nov 28, 20174
    • How much are you making at Netflix?
      Nov 28, 2017
    • ALOT
      Nov 30, 2017
    • Netflixj5x
      390 but I’m early thirties.
      Nov 30, 2017
    • Thanks. How long have you been there and how do you like it?
      Nov 30, 2017
  • VisaefEi35
    Are the RSUs onetime or yearly? And what is the typical vesting period?
    Nov 29, 20172
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Most quarterly, Google is monthly. Typical is 4 years with one year cliff
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Amazon / EngRCMMT
      God damn that's nice. Amazon is every 6 months...
      Nov 29, 2017
  • SalesforceNewHireSF
    Is stock for 4 years or one year ?
    Nov 29, 20171
  • Convoyhuman1234
    How were you valuing the Palantir stock? Was that 51k ISO's vesting every year?
    Nov 29, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Their estimated value minus the price I had to pay to purchase the options
      Nov 29, 2017
  • Apple / EngJonyCook
    awesome! Good luck in your new role!
    Nov 29, 20170
  • Microsoft / Design206wrkr
    Dang, for 2 yrs experience, this is a ton!
    Nov 29, 20170
  • Pure Storageoiuytr
    This is a message for all those that don’t believe the OP.

    It’s all about the interview performance!!! Most big companies won’t care if 2 vs 5 years of experience if they think you are really smart. Unfortunately, the interview processes have a very narrow way to figure out if you are smart or not: whiteboard coding interviews. I did the same thing that the OP did here: practice a couple of hours every day after work for 5-6 weeks before interviewing and my offers from those companies were very close (some higher some lower) to the OP’s. At the time, I had 0 years of experience though I had a masters.
    Nov 29, 20170
  • Googlefmlll
    Google offer seems higher. Why did you pick FB @OP
    Nov 29, 20171
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Prefer the FB environment
      Dec 7, 2017
  • WRKSHP / Eng
    o_o how are your offers so high? I'm also at close to two years but mine (also multiple offers) are significantly lower (they independently all came up with similar numbers). Do you have any tips on how to negotiate to get better offers?
    Nov 29, 201711
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      offer 1:
      $120k + ??? (still working on it but that's the approximate number. It's a startup)
      offer 2:
      $125k + 400 stock, vesting over 4 years. Current stock price is $92 + 10% annual bonus
      offer 3:
      $125k + $100k in stock, vesting over 4 years + $10k signing
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Facebook / Enginstandidl
      Main tip is get an offer at a tier 1 and 2 company. The numbers will be higher
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Are your offers from big companies or small startups? I had an offer from a small startup for 125k. Big companies tend to be more generous.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      1) small
      2) big (but not well known)
      3) small acquired by big
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      I think the strategy is to linearly provide the offer numbers. I took the offers from the small startups (125 and 150), presented them to Lyft and Airbnb and they came back with 160 and 152 respectively. Then take those offers and give to Dropbox, FB and Google to "outbid" the earlier ones.
      Nov 29, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      Ah in that case I guess you were lucky to get the $150k from the smaller one in the first place. But that makes a lot of sense
      Nov 29, 2017
    • Databricks / Eng
      datadicks

      DatabricksEng

      BIO
      I suck
      datadicksmore
      You are a woman WRKSHP. They see your long hair and automatically price down at least 20%. Not even joking
      Dec 3, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng
      Lol
      Nah, it's fine. I negotiated it up
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Facebook / Engm0vef@st
      Sexism is not tolerated here
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Cisco / EngQQlO08
      I'm surprised that starting by giving the (low) offers of startups to Lyft and Airbnb actually worked. The classic negotiation strategy is to not give the first number, especially if its low
      Yesterday
  • Fuck this I’m depressed
    Nov 29, 20171
    • SalesforcejKVE63
      It is. But then again, the fact that most of us are depressed by this makes it slightly less depressing in my book.
      Nov 29, 2017
  • QualtricsQ123
    There's gonna be a lot of leetcoding after reading this... 😁
    Nov 29, 20170
  • SalesforcejKVE63
    How much were you making at the start up?
    Nov 29, 20170
  • Maybe this is an outlier.
    Nov 29, 20170
  • ProofpointRPcb83
    The numbers are not unheard of and this is typical for technology companies in Silicon Valley. Congrats op!
    Nov 29, 20170
  • Base salary is definitely typical
    Nov 30, 20170
  • AmazonVacuum
    Can you also update the levels that you were offered and TC. It's hard to compare RSUs without knowing vesting schedule.
    Nov 30, 20170
  • Adobeocrp10
    Why base salary at Google is always super low? Have you seen engineers at Google with more than 180k in base? RSU problem: you receive always half of them when you vest stocks
    Nov 30, 20170
  • Deutsche BankLPeJ52
    Why half - due to taxes ?
    Nov 30, 201715
    • Adobeocrp10
      Show an example and teach the rest how it works.
      Dec 1, 2017
    • Adobe...i think you are confusing tax withholding versus taxes owed. No offense, but you are giving bad advice.
      Dec 1, 2017
    • One more...you need to understand marginal tax rate vs effective tax rate
      Dec 1, 2017
    • Box / EngObiUno
      I'm pretty sure Adobe/ocrp10 is correct. I've read other articles similar to the one he posted, above. You get ~ 55% of your RSU shares and 45% of the shares are kept by the company to cover your taxes.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Box....that’s taxes withheld. Dont cofuse with taxes you owe.
      Dec 3, 2017
    • Box / EngObiUno
      OK, yeah, you're right, I am confused. If they "withhold" too many shares, do you get more shares later? My understanding is that RSUs are treated differently than income and that the 45% is kept permanently. Thanks!
      Dec 3, 2017
    • You dont get shared you get money.
      Dec 4, 2017
    • Amazon / Engsomecsdude
      Box, when you file tax return you get that diff back
      Dec 6, 2017
    • TwitchHXWt38
      Jesus some dumb people in here. It's all taxed the same at vest.
      Dec 7, 2017
  • Amazon / PMSection X
    Since the stock options for the private firms are not liquid yet, do they give cash bonuses to make up for it?
    Dec 1, 20173
    • Lyft / Eng
      WNeX18

      LyftEng

      PRE
      Facebook
      WNeX18more
      I don’t think so, at least not at Lyft. They give sign on bonus tho.
      Dec 1, 2017
    • Amazon / PMSection X
      Damm. That's a shitty deal. You have to live on just base salary in SF until Lyft is sold or goes public.
      Dec 1, 2017
    • Lyft / Eng
      WNeX18

      LyftEng

      PRE
      Facebook
      WNeX18more
      Lyft has seattle office as well though.
      Dec 2, 2017
  • AmazonBlurt
    You chose Facebook Melno Park or Seattle?
    Dec 1, 20171
  • Google / Eng
    ulro22

    GoogleEng

    PRE
    Palantir
    ulro22more
    Just curious, how was palantir’s projected price compared to the strike price?
    Dec 7, 20176
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Not very positive. Palantir's stocks never had great outlook and they relied on internal liquidity events for employees to earn from them.
      Dec 7, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      ulro22

      GoogleEng

      PRE
      Palantir
      ulro22more
      Interesting. I meant to ask how you computed the number above. At the current price your options would be worth 0 b/c strike price = fair market value.
      Dec 8, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Strike price was 7.5 and value was 15.9 when I got the offer
      Dec 8, 2017
    • Palantirpupperzz
      Who said value was 15.9...
      Dec 8, 2017
    • Facebook / EngseriallyOP
      Higher or lower? Recruiter told me that 😂
      Dec 8, 2017
    • Palantirpupperzz
      🧐
      Dec 8, 2017
  • SplunkI will be
    What would a person with 5-10 years experience get?
    Dec 14, 20171
    • PayPal / EngBitPal
      Tree fiddy
      Dec 16, 2017
  • Im surprise Google base is the lowest. Did you even negotiate with Google?
    Dec 21, 20170
  • Any discrete math problems? Like proof or probability?
    Jan 50
  • YahooBo3
    With Dropbox IPO filing it will be interesting to see how their offer turns out.
    Jan 140
  • PayPalJhing
    What do you guys think of a crypto coin for interviewing/compensation ? It will blow up ... haha
    Jan 152
    • AppleBnhjk56
      1 year late
      Jan 15
    • PayPalJhing
      Is there already one ?
      Jan 15
  • SalesforceNúmenor
    OP, how are you liking it at Facebook? How’s work life balance?
    Feb 410
    • Facebook / Engfmlpls
      It's good there!
      Feb 5
    • SalesforceNúmenor
      I heard most ppl work for 11-12 hours a day? Is this true?
      Feb 5
    • Facebook / Engfmlpls
      Lies.
      Feb 6
    • SalesforceNúmenor
      I see. Mind sharing what your work hours are like?
      Feb 7
    • Facebook / Engfmlpls
      8.45 - 5.45. But I see many people come do 9 - 5.
      Feb 7
    • Google / Engfart
      It's more like 10:30-5 at Google 😆
      Feb 8
    • Facebook / Enginstandidl
      Google is definitely way more chill
      Feb 8
    • Microsoftjdfw70
      I like those hours.
      Feb 8
    • PayPal / OtherVenmo
      Google under utilizes majority of smart ppl. They just hire them so that they don't go to other top companies 😂
      Feb 8
    • Google / Engfart
      The flip side of flexible working hours is that you'll end up working more, even though you're not physically present on your desk. At home, on the shuttle bus, etc.. But thats still up to individual, it's not expected of you.. as long as you deliver
      Feb 8
  • Fuckshit
    Feb 80
  • MicrosoftYFRn12
    DP?
    Mar 100
  • Amazon / OtherEx-Banker
    Surprised at how low Dropbox offer is.
    Mar 100
  • Amazoncirrus
    What levels at Google and FB? T4 and E4?
    Mar 110
  • Microsoft / Design206wrkr
    Thanks for sharing and helping the community. I love how this app has empowered the coal miners to earn more.
    Mar 180
  • Bloomberg / Eng
    rockstar20

    BloombergEng

    BIO
    I am passionate about software engineering.
    rockstar20more
    Are these RSUs per year or for 4 years?
    Jun 91
    • Facebook / EngTC-OR-GTFO
      OP wrote it in the description
      Jun 9
  • Morgan StanleyggdjD17
    Hey OP, nice job! How's it been at FB, do you like it?
    Jun 131

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