too old for E5 at FB ?

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I just recieved an offer from FB for E5 role. I am 35 years old with about 14 years of experience. Am I too old for this level ? what is the typical age of an E5 at FB ?
I am worried that I might be working with engineers who are much younger than me and hence have much more energy and less time commitment for family. Are employees stack ranked at FB ?

TC: 170K GBP(base 100K)

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  • Facebook PureWin
    E5 is a terminal level, so theoretically it can have anyone of any age within it.

    Levels beyond E5 aren’t determined using YOE but instead the scope of the work you take on and your grasp of complex system designs.

    There are many folks who could happily remain at E5 for their entire careers. Also E5 and it’s equivalents at other FAANG companies easily translate to significantly higher positions at other companies like “senior software architect” or whatever.

    If you have concerns about WLB, I would say E5 is a good starting point. You can get quickly promoted to E6 if you were under-leveled.

    Lastly, I should point out that your level wouldn’t actually change who you’re working with. Even if you did push for E6+ you’d still end up on a team full of people in their 20’s. The higher your level, the less likely you’ll be within proximity of someone of equal level.

    And no, FB does NOT do stack ranking. People who claim otherwise are either ignorant or have an agenda.
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      OP
      Thanks for the detailed reply ! Definitely gives me a lot of confidence :)
      Aug 5
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Does not stack rank? Ah yeah... Instead they do curve fitting above some org size. And they order everybody relative to same level during mash-up. So, what's my agenda? 😏
      Aug 6
  • Facebook / Eng msus33
    That’s just nonsense:)

    I was older than 30 when I became E5. I have good wlb and plenty of opportunities for setting team direction and mentoring the younger folks. Thus being on track to E6.

    Dont underestimate the value of knowing how to tackle a big problem and drive a project.
    Aug 5 1
    • Neurocrine Atin|ay2
      Which team is that? Good wlb at FB is not very common I heard
      Aug 5
  • Yelp BDkP87
    You should be fine. There are people who finish their PhDs at 32-33 and then join at much lower levels at leading tech companies. Don’t think age should be an issue. You are only 35 and not 55! Not sure why age should be an issue for your team mates, I have never had any issue working with a much older engineer.
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      OP
      Thank you. Comparison with 55 makes me think I am young :) Difficult to get the perspective unless pointed out !
      Aug 5
  • Facebook / Eng oyrg
    Lmao. No, I joined as E5 around 33. E5 FB = Amazon L6, so it's a lateral move for you
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      OP
      Thanks for the reply!
      Aug 5
    • Apple yo-yo1
      Do you still feel peer pressured by people in 20s who might stay at work much longer (maybe from breakfast to dinner ) whereas you might better spend dinner time with kids ?
      Aug 5
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      I am at L6 at Amazon. I am however at ease here because I have been with the company for some time. Joining a new company where you need to build your reputation again from nothing is different though. Also, my team here has very good WLB. I hear that FB is much more hectic.
      Aug 5
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      OP
      I understand the question might/might not have been for me, but added my perspective as it is a similar situation
      Aug 5
  • Uber xxvegas
    Not for E5 because it’s a terminal level, but definitely for E4.
    Aug 5 4
    • Neurocrine Atin|ay2
      Does this mean you can't get fired for low performance at e5 and beyond?
      Aug 5
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      You will get fired for low performance at any level. It means that you’re not going to get fired for not moving up to the next level after a set period of time.
      Aug 5
    • Neurocrine Atin|ay2
      But if you are performing good/high, doesn't this imply you will move up? Can you elaborate?
      Aug 5
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      You can perform great for your level, but to get promoted, you need to perform at the next level for a reasonable amount of time. Performing at the next level requires a different scope.
      Aug 5
  • Facebook / Eng Max(TC)
    I am 36 at E5. But yeah, I am quitting for a better role. Lots of immature engineers at higher levels at FB. I am finding it harder and harder.
    Aug 5 1
    • Facebook / Eng oyrg
      This is true. Plenty of immatured management and SWEs at higher ups that throws tantrums and doesn't think rationally
      Aug 5
  • Amazon ofhec37
    E5 seems to have very broad range of ages. But yeah, I didn't accept my FB offer cause target level was low for my yoe.
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      OP
      Thank you
      Aug 5
  • Facebook / Eng weineb
    True age is not any factor sir
    I had a team mates who joined team fair later but at E3/4s
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  • Google v.putin
    Yeah. You are 12 years too old for FB e5.
    In the FB world, your correct level would be CEO
    Aug 5 0
  • F5 Networks RRA
    Ageism is a problem at FB if you're older than Zuck.
    Aug 5 0