Compensation is the biggest pro. Also, unlike other hire to fire companies (most tech companies at this point in 2024), you at least have a chance to prove yourself and are given a couple months to onboard. There are worse tech companies out there such as Amazon and Intuit, but Meta’s culture is still quite terrible. They try and justify the long hours and stress with how much you can make - Meta still pays more than any other major tech company, even in 2024, which is definitely a pro, but the culture is cutthroat and you can’t trust anyone. It would probably be easier to work two remote jobs at “less prestigious” tech or tech adjacent companies to make the same amount at Meta with more stability, better WLB, and less drama.
Pretty much the same as what one would experience at most tech companies in 2024. But some aspects are better or worse than others. Long hours. WLB is highly team dependent. Apparently Meta used to be a lot better in this regard, but now not so much. It is intense, but if you have startup experience, it is at least less intense than that. And again, it is more fair than a place like Amazon. Office politics are a thing at all tech companies, but a little more extreme at Meta. Blame and shame culture is big. People are snakes and are prepared to throw even the newest and most vulnerable employees under the bus to save their own skins. This makes things quite unfair, but as long as you’re proactive and document everything thoroughly, you’re at least given a chance to refute these attacks. A lot of gossip and backstabbing. This is separate from and still related to PSC culture, which everyone complains about. Management is terrible overall. Sometimes there is micromanagement. One of the few companies where it’s possible you’ll have a manager younger than you, even if you’re only 27-31ish. Often ICs seem to be held accountable for things that are way beyond their day-to-day scope - basically things that are ultimately the fault of leadership and management. Management frequently tries to pin things on their employees. Your manager is often trying to screw you, and if they can’t find a way, they are often trying to invent things you did wrong. This isn’t a dealbreaker because as long as you’re doing your job, it is easy to refute, but it creates a ton of work because you have to be extremely well-organized and have documented every interaction with your manager colleagues. I recommend studying employment law / consulting with an employment lawyer early on in your tenure at Meta, so you know what to look for. Because it is a massive tech company, you are there to please your manager and make them look good, so you need to do pretty much whatever they say. there’s a lot of internal conflict because it’s very authoritarian, also fairly draconian, and it’s bottoms up at the same time, every man for themselves. Do everything your manager says and it is somehow still all up to you as an individual employee to make the company successful. To top it all off, your colleagues suck too. People brag about work that YOU did as being THEIR work that THEY did if it is successful. If a project involving multiple people is so much as an hour late, then YOU are blamed, even if you had nothing to do with the lateness. The lateness itself isn’t really the problem because guess what? It’s not anything is broken. Except for when things do break and the whole app crashes for a day because everyone is forced to focus on office politics instead of their actual work. it’s not really about the value you create, so much as it is the PERCEIVED value you create and whether or not your manager likes you. Ergo, a lot of bootlicking charlatans make it to the top.
Good compensation Grandfathered into WFH Actually big data At least 10 words
Tech stack is outdated and overly complex Huge bureaucracy, work more in Google docs than writing code
For those of you (eng) who’ve been at Facebook / Google for more than a year, did you receive a stock refresh at your first year mark?
Do you get annual stock refresh during your first 3-4 years at these companies while you still have sign on RSU grant vesting?
Can someone throw some light on stock refresh at Facebook, Uber and Google for E4, SE II, L4 respectively. Recruiter says that refreshers are performance based but none is giving the numbers. Can someone give ballpark numbers for each company based on meets, exceeds, strongly exceeds expectations?...Read more
I know google and FB give stock refreshers every year. Especially for manager or Sr SWE, any idea what is the stock refresher? Is it a set % from the initial grant? 10%? Is it a set amount like 50k? Trying to understand how it works at these big companies.
Google or FB employees - Whats your stock refresher every year? For l4 equivalent to msft 62 or 63. For msft they cap at 22k for 62 and 34 for 63. Similarly what is it for you guys?
Gotta pay taxes and need to sell about $50k in stock. I kept my last grant from Meta (now worth about 80k) and haven't sold any Google stock yet (570k vested). My gut says to sell Google because I already have way too much of my net worth invested in Google. Any reason it makes sense to sell Meta in...Read more
While chatting with one of my friends from Google, I noticed that Google's yearly stock refreshers are more than double compared to Facebooks stock refresher. He is at the same level as me and received similar ratings. Is that in fact true? I am at E3 level and got a 40k refresher. My rating was e...Read more
What's the refresher at Google, FB for L6? I think at FB it is 200k for meets expectations. what is it for Google?
So who thinks that the price of Goog stock will be higher than Meta and Amzn in the next month - November? TC 500? or 400 these days
How much stock refresh do L4/L5 get at Fb? And at Google at the same level of rating? Say, both get Meet, or Exceed, which company pays more in refresh? Thanks.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/03/14/meta-layoffs-10000-more-workers-to-be-cut-in-restructuring.html Meta has been adamant about right sizing it’s workforce and the stock has more than doubled since hitting a low at 88 last fall, now 194 after 2 large rounds of layoffs and a massive share buyback. ...Read more
Amazon's vesting schedule is such that people get most of their RSUs vested during years 3 and 4 of employment. When leaving Amazon for Google or Facebook (or other companies, for that matter) before completing the 4 year "term", will the new employer increase the TC to compensate for the "lost" Ama...Read more
What is target stock $$ and bonus for Facebook E4 E5 and Google L4 L5?
My prediction was always correct Don’t miss out the opportunity to be millionaire
Curious how stock vesting schedule works in these two companies. Is there a one-year cliff? Is it quarterly or monthly after cliff? If so, what's the cutoff dates (aka you should try to join before the next vest commencement date so you don't have to wait for a whole quarter to start vesting). Are t...Read more
Have about 100k to deploy which to buy? I already have 100k in AAPL AND MSFT so that’s why I didn’t include. Tc / 345
I have an offer from Meta Reality Labs and Google HWT. Both L5 with TC ~470k after negotiations and for similar product categories. Apple TC ~340k and Manager pissed me off by handing 6/9 rating this year with no promise of promotion to ICT5. Feels like I should try my luck elsewhere and definitely ...Read more
What is the typical initial stock grant Google and Facebook are giving to new L7 software engineers these days ? I've been wondering if it is worth switching companies to take advantage of the initial stock grant. Current TC: 700k
Tc:350k