Compensation is the biggest pro. Also, unlike other hire to fire companies (most tech companies at this point in 2024), you at least have a chance to prove yourself and are given a couple months to onboard. There are worse tech companies out there such as Amazon and Intuit, but Meta’s culture is still quite terrible. They try and justify the long hours and stress with how much you can make - Meta still pays more than any other major tech company, even in 2024, which is definitely a pro, but the culture is cutthroat and you can’t trust anyone. It would probably be easier to work two remote jobs at “less prestigious” tech or tech adjacent companies to make the same amount at Meta with more stability, better WLB, and less drama.
Pretty much the same as what one would experience at most tech companies in 2024. But some aspects are better or worse than others. Long hours. WLB is highly team dependent. Apparently Meta used to be a lot better in this regard, but now not so much. It is intense, but if you have startup experience, it is at least less intense than that. And again, it is more fair than a place like Amazon. Office politics are a thing at all tech companies, but a little more extreme at Meta. Blame and shame culture is big. People are snakes and are prepared to throw even the newest and most vulnerable employees under the bus to save their own skins. This makes things quite unfair, but as long as you’re proactive and document everything thoroughly, you’re at least given a chance to refute these attacks. A lot of gossip and backstabbing. This is separate from and still related to PSC culture, which everyone complains about. Management is terrible overall. Sometimes there is micromanagement. One of the few companies where it’s possible you’ll have a manager younger than you, even if you’re only 27-31ish. Often ICs seem to be held accountable for things that are way beyond their day-to-day scope - basically things that are ultimately the fault of leadership and management. Management frequently tries to pin things on their employees. Your manager is often trying to screw you, and if they can’t find a way, they are often trying to invent things you did wrong. This isn’t a dealbreaker because as long as you’re doing your job, it is easy to refute, but it creates a ton of work because you have to be extremely well-organized and have documented every interaction with your manager colleagues. I recommend studying employment law / consulting with an employment lawyer early on in your tenure at Meta, so you know what to look for. Because it is a massive tech company, you are there to please your manager and make them look good, so you need to do pretty much whatever they say. there’s a lot of internal conflict because it’s very authoritarian, also fairly draconian, and it’s bottoms up at the same time, every man for themselves. Do everything your manager says and it is somehow still all up to you as an individual employee to make the company successful. To top it all off, your colleagues suck too. People brag about work that YOU did as being THEIR work that THEY did if it is successful. If a project involving multiple people is so much as an hour late, then YOU are blamed, even if you had nothing to do with the lateness. The lateness itself isn’t really the problem because guess what? It’s not anything is broken. Except for when things do break and the whole app crashes for a day because everyone is forced to focus on office politics instead of their actual work. it’s not really about the value you create, so much as it is the PERCEIVED value you create and whether or not your manager likes you. Ergo, a lot of bootlicking charlatans make it to the top.
Comp can be nice, depending on the stock price. Pay increases are not great
Overtime expectations, terrible management. The culture encourages engineers to chase metrics rather than do actual work.
Do you get annual stock refresh during your first 3-4 years at these companies while you still have sign on RSU grant vesting?
Can someone throw some light on stock refresh at Facebook, Uber and Google for E4, SE II, L4 respectively. Recruiter says that refreshers are performance based but none is giving the numbers. Can someone give ballpark numbers for each company based on meets, exceeds, strongly exceeds expectations?...Read more
Uber stock is > 3x since 2022 lows. Uber employees who got the refresher must have > 3x net worth and ~1 M pay check. Why nobody discuss it? #tech #uber #meta #stock #millionaire
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So far I’ve worked at Snap and Uber. What companies are worth joining right now? I’m ok with a company whose stock is down. I would almost prefer it, if they’ll make it through a recession. In the past I’ve passed interviews with Pinterest, Airbnb, Google, FB, LinkedIn, Lyft, Square, DoorDash, Ub...Read more
I noticed that in the last 5 years startups don't really go public and grow beyond 10B+ with external investments. Then people join and watch them drop massively! Uber was worth $60/stock before it went on an IPO 6 months later $30 Instacart was worth 40B when it was private. Now it's worth 6B. Co...Read more
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Currently setting up interviews. What should my preference order be? Please vote for the best company to join currently as a Senior SWE. Importance order for me: 1. Pay (target TC - 450. Looking for atleast 400) 2. Growth 3. Wlb My analysis: please correct me if I am wrong. My top 2 picks are Me...Read more
Data scientist offer at google. T4. Base 130k. Stock unit 200 units vested in four years. Sign on bonus 20k for the first year. Offer@Facebook E5. Base 160k Stock probably $40k a year. Haven’t negotiated yet. That’s the number I got from the recruiter over the phone. Sign on 30k Current@Uber L4...Read more
I joined Uber few months ago before all the mayhem started. I really don’t like my job. I do have an option of Facebook TC ~ 330k vs Uber TC of ~400k. I was offered 550K RSUs at Uber which right now is around ~680k. Facebook is Data Scientist and IC5 role vs. Uber is non tech level 6. Would you make...Read more
At meta, considering role at Uber. Both infra, both M1. Meta infra generally has good WLB IMHO, is the same true for Uber? What should I expect? Tc 500 with current stock price
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Rejected FB and other offers for Uber couple months back. Now I am crying inside seeing how stock perform. Head down and work harder but can't help but feeling I am stupid! TC: down to 400K 8 years exp #uber
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Facebook Level: L4 Base: 165k Bonus: 10% Stock: 365k (4yrs) Sign on: 70k TC: 343k (first year) ->; 273k (from second yr) Location: Seattle JPMC Level: VP Base: 225k Bonus: 120k cash + 30k stocks TC: 375k Location: Seattle Uber Level: L5A Base: 203k Bonus: 35k Stock: 715k (4yrs) Sign on: 50k TC:
Remember, Uber in 2019 was as good as Google/Facebook. The tables have turned on Uber, they're going downhill everyday both as company and stock. What's the reason for this?
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Uber US: 500K tc - L1A, eb1c Meta London: 250K pounds- Getting Meta really cheap at ~200 so any growth in Meta stock will increase TC Family with small kid Uber US can save me more (unless Meta stock does better than Uber) but London is a better vibe city..
Hi guys, I posted under a different name before, but here are the numbers. What do you think? FB (MNP): 165K base / 400K stock / 40K sign on bonus / 10% perf bonus Snap (LA): 160K base / 580K stock / 20K relo bonus / 25% of grant annual refresher Uber (SF): 156K base / 330K stock / 25K sign on b...Read more