[HW] Google not matching Apple offer

Dec 17, 2018 39 Comments

Hi,
- 6 yoe in HW validation
- interviewed at Apple, got an offer for L4 [170k/160k/35k]
- got interviewed at Google for their Consumer HW team

Google recruiter said the interview feedback is largely positive and they would want to move ahead with offer after HC review, but said it won't be anywhere near 170k base. They asked me whether I still want to move ahead with 120k-130k base range.

Is this common? Anyone else had experienced similar situation?

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TOP 39 Comments
  • Oracle / Eng zackberger
    I didn't know hardware with 6 yoe only gets what swe new grad would get. Fuck that's unfair.
    Dec 17, 2018 5
    • Bloomberg / Eng tier1
      at bloomberg swe new grads can get 170 base, but that’s cuz we don’t have rsus
      Dec 17, 2018
    • 170k is L5 territory for base as a Google SWE. and despite all the braggerts here I never saw a sub-32 year old at L5
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Google merin
    They will match you in total comp. Balance will be in RSU.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
    You might be getting L3. I know HW ladder is up to 15% less, so you might still be L4, but not sure.
    You should take Apple - Apple ICT4 is Google L5 equivalent
    Dec 17, 2018 7
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      Checked with the recruiter, it is going to be L4..but he confirmed they can not offer more than 200k TC for this specific position (even with competing offer)
      Dec 20, 2018
    • Intel / Eng plebHW->SW
      Okay that isn’t as bad as L3. The supposed limit on offer is concerning given the L4 level. If you don’t have specific reason for wanting Google (location, name, want less responsibility and just cruise), you should choose Apple. Similar prod area, tight deadlines, but better quality, consistent delivery, higher pay, and higher role @ Apple.
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Intel / Ops
    GMoo

    Intel Ops

    PRE
    Google, Amazon
    BIO
    Hardware quality and reliability professional
    GMoomore
    Are both offers for bay area ? Are you PhD? Be transparent with G (don't bluff on A numbers or you risk losing the offer) and they will beat it regardless of level. L3 is actually good since you will grow fast. ICT4 at A can be terminal grade..
    Dec 17, 2018 5
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      I am in similar situation..the recruiter repeatedly asked me about Apple deadline and insisted I should accept/reject Apple offer before we can talk real numbers (which will be very low range anyways)
      Dec 19, 2018
    • Intel / Ops
      mastt

      Intel Ops

      PRE
      Google, Amazon
      BIO
      Hardware quality and reliability professional
      masttmore
      I was in similar situation and G expedited things and I held course/delay as much possible. My interviews went very strong with a lot of interest. Finally got a good one :)
      Dec 19, 2018
  • You just didn't interview that well @Google. Maybe next time ....
    Dec 18, 2018 1
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      maybe..but in that case rejecting a candidate would have been better than offering low ball RCG package..
      Dec 19, 2018
  • Qualcomm
    ic-rf

    Qualcomm

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    Apple, Intel, Cisco
    ic-rfmore
    Go to Apple.
    Google got into HW without realizing how much 💰💰💰 developing HW costs in terms of equipment and engineering. They’ve started cost saving measures by focusing their hiring in Taiwan rather than the US. Check their job postings. It won’t surprise me that they downsize their HW teams sometime from now
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • They bought HTC. The supposed "AI" in the phone is nothing of the sort! It's a signal processing chip custom design in silicon valley, by my roommate's brother and others. when they can think of a new value-add they will do the design work in silicon valley!
      Dec 18, 2018
  • Qualcomm / Eng
    rbo

    Qualcomm Eng

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    Intel
    BIO
    ASIC
    rbomore
    is this ASIC
    Dec 17, 2018 1
    • Intel yszi80
      OP
      Yes, consumer hardware for ASIC Validation
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Cisco Wakeup
    It’s pretty clear you should go to apple.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Google merin
    Sounds like you got L3 at Google. They usually don't negotiate level but you can definitely get them to match Apple L4 on pay.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Autodesk DouP01
    Lol wow shame on google for not treating their HW people well. This is why their HW market share is so low
    Dec 17, 2018 2
    • Intel UGeJ58
      Oh, they are really doing badly by staying out of the HW market? The capital investment is ridiculous and that is why HW doesn't get paid. I spend >500k ~2-3 years for equipment if it's high end electronics. I make a company less than a SW engineer.

      *edit: a team of 3-5 may require that money. Beyond 3-5, extra purchases are made or it becomes the construction industry with 1 shovel and 7 people
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Shame on Qualcomm for treating their SWEs like garbage. It cuts both ways. And Google is NOT staying out of the hardware market their data center board designs make them ~#5 on Earth computer maker. But if you want to build consumer products China has sucked all the living wages from that market ....
      Dec 18, 2018

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