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I passed the senior SWE loop for both. Where should I go? Datadog (in team matching, but recruiter gave estimates and said there is flexibility): ~$225/125/40 base/RSU/sign-on = ~$360k/year Upstart ("final" offer): ~$200/100/30 base/RSU/perf bonus = ~$330k/year I wouldn't be too surprised if I could get Upstart to match Datadog, but I suppose I'll make another poll if/when we get those updated offers. I guess just vote for now based on the preliminary numbers above but please add any additional thoughts you might have. Thanks! YoE: 8+ TC: ~$190k
Your senior base is $225? I need to switch.
Location? I know we have -5% and -15% adjustments to base for COL. But even still that’s a strong senior offer for us. 350 might happen but I don’t know if they’d go much more than that. Like the other comment said I think there’s a lot of room for RSU growth but it may take some time for the market macro environment to come around to it.
Can you provide a few examples of cities that have a -15% adjustment?
It’s most cities really. The top bracket is really just like vhcol like SF/NYC. Then Seattle/Austin and similar are the 5%. Most MCOL are the 15% so Chicago, Mpls, Columbus, on and on.
Pretty confident with Upstart especially at the currently price Obviously Updog is the perfect choice
If you'd prefer to be at upstart, try to find out the datadog flexibility first - get them to the number you think they'll be firm at, and take that back to upstart and see if they'll match or meet you half-way. But if you're happier with datadog to begin with, then just don't worry about it and finish their process and just take the best offer they'll give you. But the comp is similar so look at the other factors to decide which company you prefer and then try to get the best comp you can.
Both have some wiggle room for negotiating. When i asked recruiter at upstart, they were willing to go to 410K. Also look at levels.fyi numbers for datapoints on both companies. The companies are also radically different: 1. datadog is monitoring and systems development at cloud scale. You are going to be working on datastructures more here. 2. Upstart is a lot of business logic. It's primarily a Ruby On Rails shop. Whereas DD is golang. So also pick you development stack that you want to work in and factor it in. I voted for DD because i felt the engineering talent there was pretty cool and that area has some growth if you want to move higher technically. And i do think upstart has more growth potential because the domain they are tackling is different. Probably go DD and buy upstart stock :)
What is your final offer?
were you able to negotiate up Upstart again?
@pCIT36 do you mind sharing the final offer breakdown?
Upstart is WAY undervalued right now. That RSU money will 10x easily.
care to provide your rationale? i know it was 5x in the fall, but many other companies were in a similar situation and past performance is not necessarily predictive of future performance
Upstart's market penetration is currently a "rounding error" (according to the CEO), meaning that they have only tapped into a tiny fraction so far. Also, they are expanding into Auto loans and will move into Mortgages soon, then to small business loans. They are in a legit position to dethrone FICO for loan risk assessment.