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Starting a thread to consolidate discussion before, during, and after the second debate.
POLL: Which candidate will you vote for as a result of tonight's debate? Or, if you're already decided and the results will not change your vote, who are you voting for?
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PRE-DEBATE: How do you anticipate each candidate will change their approach as a result of the first debate? What are your thoughts on recent revelations since the first debate including 1) WikiLeaks' release of excerpts of Clinton's Wall Street speeches, 2) Trump's vulgar remarks caught hot mic, his Howard Stern interviews discussing his daughter and threesomes, 3) rebukes of Trump by a number of prominent members of the Republican establishment?
REAL-TIME: During the debate share real-time feedback on each candidate.
POST-DEBATE: Who won? Did either candidate move the needle in terms of voter sentiment?
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Buuurrnned
The Democratic nominee disputed that claim, promising she would not increase taxes on any household with less than $250,000 in annual income.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-2nd-2016-presidential-debate/what-trumps-and-clintons-tax-proposals-would-really-mean-for-the-middle-class/
Aside from that, you can do your research, no spoon feeding in my house.
"I would crucify her"
Hillary had no fault, tell that to the families of the dead how ignoring numerous warnings was normal and unpreventable. She took responsibility for the attack, so there goes your "no fault".
I never said tax returns were unimportant. The rules need to be changed if it allows him to delay and still be on the ballot. In any case, paying no taxes due to loses is the way the tax code is written. A pro tax prepper would be fired for paying too much more taxes than is required.
And I don't have to tell families of the 4 dead Americans that it wasn't Hillary's fault. We've had 9 congressional and Defence investigations that have said the same thing. Hillary takes responsibility for bad things just like any leader should when there's a fuckup under their watch. How much more do you want to debate on this topic?
Finally, you agree that it's enormously important that Trump releases his tax returns. I find it completely disqualifying frankly that he refuses. And I don't fault him for using the tax code correctly. I just want a black jack dealer that will clap his hands when he begins his shift. But since we're speculating on Trumps taxes, I think that particular year he claims a near billion dollar loss wasn't actually a fully realized loss. The best theory I've read is Trump exploited a now closed loophole (that Hillary voted to close) that allowed someone like Trump to deduct gross losses on particular transactions and not net losses. The wording of the law was poor and allowed this. In reality it was probably other banks or investors that lost almost a billion, and Trump might have lost nothing or just his initial deposit. We will never know of course, but that's the prevailing theory.