Reminder to keep an eye out for bills like S386 this year

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tantoknife

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Jan 1, 2021 262 Comments

Here is a reminder to always be vigilant and keep an eye out on the activities of Immigration Voice and the new India-first and pro-outsourcing bills they will try to sneak in and buy out from our politicians.

#s386 #h1b #workvisa

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  • Facebook
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    12 Xingpin
    Keep an eye out for sure. Justice will prevail and it will be passed whether you like it or not.

    Enjoy your unfair privilege while it lasts
    Jan 1, 2021 25
    • Microsoft / Eng
      JnTC56

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      JnTC56
      It’s not the company one works for, but immoral practices followed by some people at these firms (like faking resumes and YOE) that disqualify employees and provide injustice to everyone else in the backlog. Again, we may have some good apples within this lot, so not claiming everyone’s immoral.

      @facebook who apparently thinks companies have tiers even within FAANG — unless you own all these firms I don’t see how you’d be in a position to make such an accurate judgement cause these companies are huge. This is exactly what OP justifies about people feeling entitled to a GC just because they “feel” they’re better than everyone else.
      Jan 4, 2021
    • Facebook
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      12 Xingpin
      I’m not the one claiming to be better than others. That’s Amazon above. Don’t confuse yourself.
      Jan 4, 2021
  • Amazon
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    We do need a solution but s386 is not the solution and supporters of s386 over simplify the issue and bully people who don't agree with them.

    Start by recognizing the current system is not a merit system and that the criteria to qualify for an employment greencard is overall pretty low.

    I would love to have a merit system, like a point system, and in a merit system that country caps make less sense.

    But we don't have a merit system, and in a non merit system country caps DO make sense. If we're not getting the best, then at least we should get diversity. Diversity DOES have value.

    Removing the caps WITHOUT introducing a merit system means we do not get merit AND we do not get diversity.

    I would support eliminating the caps as part of a merit system, but not without one, and I do not buy the argument that s386 is "a step", it's a step backwards without a merit system. It's a step forward only when combined with merit.

    The real unfairness was AC21, that bill put a lot of people in limbo. Before that at least things were clear--you got in, or you didn't. No weird perpetual wait.

    I think AC21 should be repealed AND we should have a merit system. Let people in, or send them home. Be clear about it and don't leave people in limbo.

    Does that make me racist? I certainly don't think so.
    Jan 1, 2021 18
    • Amazon
      tantoknife

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      OP
      S386 supporters talk about the bill will be "forcibly" passed just because it is unfair in their eyes. They have no problem with r*ping the will of the American people by ramming a bill like this through in a country that is not even theirs.

      They don't realize why people hate S386 supporters because they have no problem f*cking other people over and then calling it justice. They will f*ck the following:

      1. ROW
      2. Chinese people thru the Chinese Exclusion provision
      3. Americans by subverting their will

      They will f*ck all these people except for the outsourcers.
      Jan 2, 2021
    • Amazon
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      It will hurt Americans even more directly.

      While those @FANG companies aren't competing with citizens (there are always unfilled jobs), when you look at the bottom quarter of the applicants in the greencard queue there's a lot there that are competing by being willing to be paid less than the citizen whose job they took.

      This is why s386 never passes, there are real concerns it will harm Americans.

      That can be fixed with as merit system that stack ranks the queue and only takes the best, but without that the bottom tier of applicants are a real harm to citizens.

      Or just make it harder to qualify. Add a salary criteria that excludes the bottom tier.
      Jan 2, 2021
  • Google
    biglydoo

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    biglydoo
    is there a genuine gripe here or just I don't want to give up my advantages by leveling the field
    Jan 1, 2021 27
    • Amazon
      tantoknife

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      tantoknife
      OP
      Maybe you'll get support from FAANG but you'll still have to deal with people in other industries such as healthcare for eliminating the country quota.

      And believe me, we aren't the biggest opposers. The latino community opposed it in Florida.

      After the Chinese provision was added, the entire Asian American lobby went against it.

      I just don't see a good strategy and the burden is on the bill's creators to work with others to find compromise.
      Jan 3, 2021
    • Uber
      gaugamela

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      gaugamela
      I’m not sure if the Latino community opposed it or it was based on some rumors. The bill increases the family visa cap to 15% and the biggest beneficiary of the same are going to be the Latino community. Also I doubt how many of them actually come through EB GC process.

      The last part is where I’m unsure of, if there’s a better strategy to get to a UC with a reasonable bill. The Chinese thing probably will be removed and the bill will pass in next few years.
      Jan 4, 2021
  • @OP.do you have or have not received your GC? Does S.386 stop you from getting your GC either way? From the entire conversation, not sure exactly what your concern is, but technically S.386 was taking full care of current ROW applicants.

    If you are concerned about IT workers, may be you should also be concerned about illegals and DACA because that is going to bring in way more immigrants and destroy the diversity to unimaginable extent. May be start a thread to stop DACA and any path to citizenship for illegals?
    Jan 3, 2021 21
    • Amazon
      tantoknife

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      OP
      Most of the call outs in this thread is specific to S386 supporters. India did in fact create the outsourcing industry responsible for the horrendous backlog.

      That is an objective fact.

      If all you want to see is the purported racism between the lines, that is on you.

      I am saying this because the first defense from S386 supporters is the allegation of racism. So forgive me since I am so desensitized to being called a racist since it is so overused at this point.
      Jan 4, 2021
    • Amazon
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      realbezos
      Again, no where in my comments I called you a racist. Now if you’re thinking that way, that’s on you.

      I am just saying this bill is wrong and don’t blame all Indians for this bill.

      And when I brought the point about India, it is only after someone else from Twitter specifically talked about Indians. I didn’t refer to you.
      Jan 4, 2021
  • Microsoft / Eng
    JnTC56

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    JnTC56
    To folks who claim this is racism, please take it up with USCIS. We’ve had this as part of the INA since 1960 and no one felt discriminated until 2020. “Fairness” of this bill seems to be subjective and everyone has a right to voice their opinions be it elsewhere if not blind.
    Jan 1, 2021 17
    • Facebook
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      People opposed s386 even with the 50 50 clause that shuts down the business model of outsourcers. These are just hypocrites hifi behind excuses. The problem is a country based cap. That would be an issue without outsourcers as well and is unfair.
      Jan 2, 2021
    • Amazon
      tantoknife

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      tantoknife
      OP
      @Facebook. No the problem is the lack of H1B country cap and a tolerance for visa abusers.
      Jan 3, 2021