For you fools complaining about "Diversity Hires"

Sep 10, 2021 118 Comments

Just a rant but honestly I find it disgusting that so many people here think like this. So many salty people that think anyone who doesn't finish their interview questions and passes is a diversity hire and that people who are rejected even though they "aced" their interviews deserve an offer.

1. No, FAANG didn't just accept someone because of their race/gender.
2. No, just because someone "aced" all of their interviews and completed all of their LC questions it means that they deserve the job more than someone who didn't complete any of the questions and passed
3. D&I hiring aims at giving interviews to folks who are underrepresented, not passing them. They still need to show that they are as good as everyone else who makes it through.
4. No one cares if you memorized 1000s of LC solutions and powered through an interviewer if you don't come across as someone who'd be a good teammate and don't show sufficient problem-solving skills.
5. Put yourself in the shoes of the interviewer and ask yourself what you'd want to see in a candidate. Or at the very least, be more self aware.

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  • New / Eng
    tbPa57

    New Eng

    tbPa57
    I am part of the hiring committee at my company. When we have two candidates who are roughly equal HR forces us to pick the "diverse" one even if the other candidate was slightly better.

    Diversity hires are real. I've witnessed it
    Sep 10, 2021 12
    • Google
      chnou

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      chnou
      axhe2 nobody reasonable will deny the amount of overt and implicit race, gender, etc., discrimination that used to be present in hiring (and still is, in some places). And I think there is probably an overwhelming consensus in favor of policies like outreach to potential candidates from historically underrepresented communities on campus/to help balance out the hiring pipeline.

      But reasonable people can disagree about whether it is acceptable to use race as a factor in hiring/comp decisions, such as in hypotheticals like
      - using diversity criteria to break ties between otherwise equally qualified candidates
      - being more willing to make good offers to attract diverse candidates who have cleared the hiring bar and gotten an offer, compared to equally qualified non-diverse candidates with similar competing offers

      Again, these are just hypotheticals and aren't based on anything I've observed at Google. But they seem like, in abstract, the kind of grey areas where it's possible to have informed debate about the merits and for reasonable people to have differing opinions.
      Sep 11, 2021
    • Verizon Media
      okkie

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      PRE
      Yahoo
      okkie
      There’s a lot to be discussed how to fairly choose one between equally qualified candidates. Just my two cents why DEI might not be a bad thing using as a tie breaker - it’s counterintuitive. People might choose the one they feel more likely to go along with, and a candidate from similar culture or background has a better chance to win the hearts.
      Sep 11, 2021
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon
      derdiedasd

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      derdiedasd
      he comes off as someone who lacks basic social and communication skills. i dont see him as a team player and i dont understand how yall cream over him. im not surprised he was rejected so many times based upon his personality alone
      Sep 10, 2021
    • OP
      Thanks @amazon and @twilio. This is something else I tried to point out. Some people here lack awareness though unfortunately
      Sep 10, 2021
  • Just because you are in denial doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I have seen so many instances where a woman got promoted because of diversity bs when some of my coworkers deserved it!
    Sep 10, 2021 12
    • Amazon
      minutes

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      minutes
      Yet, women still hold 24% of Senior leadership position while there are more women that men in the US and hold only 6% of CEO position in the S&P. Talking about denial.
      Sep 11, 2021
    • Tableau / Eng
      Avian

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      Avian
      I get really tired of people who present statistics showing a difference in outcome, and imagine that is proof of discrimination. Making a compelling takes takes a lot more than that. I suppose the next thing you'll tell us is how unfair it is that "women earn only 79 cents for every dollar a man makes" and how that "proves" women are oppressed?
      Sep 11, 2021
  • Apple
    flowerStar

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    flowerStar
    I’ve seen first-hand where Caucasian candidates were not given interviews in preference for waiting on minority submissions.
    Sep 10, 2021 4
    • OP
      I'm only talking about the hiring bar. I mentioned that diversity hiring is about giving interviews to folks from underrepresented backgrounds, so yea your observation is probably correct
      Sep 10, 2021
    • New / Eng
      tbPa57

      New Eng

      tbPa57
      In other words, the color of your skin gets you over the bar when other candidates have to wait in line
      Sep 11, 2021
  • On point OP. I’ll bite, I’m a “diverse” “individual” (part of like three underrepresented groups lol).

    Some companies have internship options only for diverse candidates. I’ve been a part of those. They’re meant to level the playing field, as it’s easier for privileged individuals to nab internships and know people at top companies. I have no issues with this, on average URMs tend to have less connections. Though these internship programs tend to be full of rich kids or immigrants who aren’t really held back lol

    When it comes to internal hiring, yes companies will try to reach out more to diverse candidates. Yes there are programs to help diverse candidates join and then ramp up after they’re hired. Sure, a diverse candidate might be chosen over a non-diverse if there’s no difference in talent. But I’ve rarely seen an actual diversity hire - someone unqualified who gets the job anyway. Top companies aren’t lowering the bar like that. And I don’t see a huge issue since most of these companies started by only hiring based on connections or from five top universities. Trust me, the handful of targeted diverse candidates is nothing compared to the VP’s cousin who had to be hired or else. Look at all the nepotism kids who don’t know anything lol.

    People focus on “diversity hires” who aren’t perfect across the board and don’t notice overrepresented teammates who aren’t that bright. It’s bias.
    Sep 10, 2021 5
    • Infosys
      NzPs35

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      NzPs35
      If the tables were turned, and we were all going to your white non-American country of origin to work in tech, would you be comfortable dissolving your existing social ties to make room for outsiders? Or would you expect us to assimilate?
      Sep 11, 2021
    • Samsung
      gnomekind

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      gnomekind
      "If the tables were turned, and we were all going to your white non-American country of origin to work in tech, would you be comfortable dissolving your existing social ties to make room for outsiders? Or would you expect us to assimilate?"

      From what I can tell, white dudes get a bonus for being white in other countries.
      Sep 11, 2021