85K with PhD for Data Science position too little or too much.

New TechNi
Oct 23, 2019 45 Comments

Hi all,

I am in the market for data science jobs and have recently received an offer. The recruiter said that my 4 years of consulting experience doesn’t count as actual experience and that my starting salary would be 85,000. This job is in Dallas, Texas.

I have a PhD in Comp Sci from a renown university and a masters from another renown university.

Is this fair? I’m in need of a job so I can’t really be a begger, but I feel like I’m being low balled. Attempts to negotiate failed. They told me 85k is all they would offer for a person with my background.

Any thoughts?

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  • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
    That's a ridiculous low-ball. Also fuck that recruiter with his "consulting does not count hurr durr". They're trying to screw you over
    Oct 23, 2019 2
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      Just reading your post again makes me angry and I am not even the one subjected to that treatment. If I were you I would not move any further with them. Imagine how they will treat you after you start working for them if they are being dipshits during recruitment
      Oct 23, 2019
    • State Farm Locandro
      Yeah that pissed me off as well.
      Oct 23, 2019
  • New / Project
    Xbox117

    New Project

    BIO
    Looking to make a career transition from business consulting into tech.
    Xbox117more
    Too little, my friends got that as starting salary straight outta college. Without masters, nor PHD.

    Data sci positions should run you 95-105k + , especially with a PHD. TX has no state income tax, so factor that in too.

    If they are telling you consulting doesn’t count as experience they sound like lowballers that maybe you wouldn’t wanna work for them. Consulting is a heavy career load that the experience can translate to multiple industries.
    Oct 23, 2019 0
  • New llIIl
    Renowned university? Did you go to Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, or CMU? If not, then it's not a renowned university. Top 10 maybe, but not renowned.

    Also you didn't say what area your PhD was in. Probably not ML/AI? If not ML, your TC may be justified.
    Oct 23, 2019 7
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      That's all mental gymnastics. At the end of the day someone is trying to bag an experienced data scientist with a PhD for a new BS grad salary
      Oct 23, 2019
    • New llIIl
      Because OP is no better than a BS new grad.

      Maybe 10K for the PhD title, but that's it. There's a reason why tech looks down on consultants.
      Oct 23, 2019
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      OP can still secure a much better salary. I taught data science bootcamps for a while as a side gig. I have seen things. The whole field is a meme as far as who gets hired.

      If you actually have the in-depth engineering skills like you're talking about you shouldn't be near anything below high 100ks. People are getting paid 120k base just to hit next on some jupyter notebook. It's insane
      Oct 23, 2019
    • The Trust for Public Land / Data GhostBeef
      What boot camp was it and how did you like the curriculum?
      Oct 25, 2019
    • Travelport / Eng buttnpushr
      One of those Trilogy mcbootcamps. Curriculum was alright, though held back a bit by trying to pander to the boomer managers with a month of Excel and VBA
      Oct 25, 2019
  • New / Data
    TheBergen

    New Data

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    AmerisourceBergen
    TheBergenmore
    I live in Dallas, TX as a Data Analyst with 4 years experience and a masters. I make 92k TC.
    Oct 23, 2019 1
    • New / Data Toop_teep
      what’s your masters in? more info about current role? i am similar, but based in Los Angeles thinking of relocating to Dallas
      Oct 25, 2019
  • GrubHub groggyfrog
    Sounds like BS to me. If you still have time (I’m guessing you need sponsorship?), definitely look elsewhere.
    Oct 23, 2019 0
  • State Farm Locandro
    I’m in Dallas with top ten CS Bachelor’s and make $120k TC with 1.5 YOE.

    They’re low balling you hard.
    Oct 23, 2019 7
    • Blue Cross Blue Shield Accen
      Mind if I PM you?
      Oct 23, 2019
    • State Farm Locandro
      Go for it.
      Oct 23, 2019
    • Blue Cross Blue Shield Accen
      Done thanks
      Oct 23, 2019
    • New / Data Toop_teep
      are you data scientist or swe
      Oct 25, 2019
    • State Farm Locandro
      Swe. DS are in a higher salary range at SF from what I know though.
      Oct 26, 2019
  • T-Mobile whatcanIsay
    is your "renown" schools in US or not.
    Oct 24, 2019 3
    • Rakuten / Ops
      tooQ10

      Rakuten Ops

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      Rakuten USA
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      Obligatory: YoE 20, TC 41k. Such is life for us non-SWE office monkeys!
      tooQ10more
      Good point. My PhD was earned outside the US and so people in America don't know the name value if the school. You'd think they'd be -more- impressed -- the degree was earned in a foreign language, after all -- but they don't think that way. They want a domestic big-name school.
      Oct 24, 2019
    • T-Mobile whatcanIsay
      Who cares if it was in a foreign language.

      They only care of the strength of the brand signal. Why would you ever think they'd care?

      Sounds like you didn't really think this through.
      If you're not top 10 US, you might as well all be the same.
      Oct 24, 2019
    • Rakuten / Ops
      tooQ10

      Rakuten Ops

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      Rakuten USA
      BIO
      Obligatory: YoE 20, TC 41k. Such is life for us non-SWE office monkeys!
      tooQ10more
      ,_People_ I have spoken to after getting my doctorate often said things like, "and you did all that in (other language), wow!"

      It would be nice if that attitude were shared by hiring managers. I'm not resentful, I just wish it were that way.
      Oct 24, 2019
  • Rakuten / Ops
    tooQ10

    Rakuten Ops

    PRE
    Rakuten USA
    BIO
    Obligatory: YoE 20, TC 41k. Such is life for us non-SWE office monkeys!
    tooQ10more
    Insight Data Science Fellows, a fresh-PhD program I was just introduced to on here, advertises 100-140k for new data scientists. That was for NYC/SF so maybe 85 is equivalent in Dallas? I don't know much about the CoL there.
    Oct 23, 2019 2
    • New / Data
      LNBk35

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      Google
      LNBk35more
      Does this range include stock?
      Oct 23, 2019
    • Rakuten / Ops
      tooQ10

      Rakuten Ops

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      Rakuten USA
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      Obligatory: YoE 20, TC 41k. Such is life for us non-SWE office monkeys!
      tooQ10more
      They didn't say. If you look up Insight Data Science and look for their white paper, you'll see those figures. They didn't give a breakdown of how much is cash and how much is stock or anything like that.
      Oct 23, 2019
  • Intuit
    Oracle85

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    Nike, SDLC Partners, L.P., Kforce
    Oracle85more
    Too little. I got the same with just masters and that too 7 years back. It was my second job overall and first in USA
    Oct 23, 2019 0
  • Facebook public2
    Per month?
    Oct 23, 2019 0

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