About to be laid off on H1B! Early Christmas present :(

New uh huh
Dec 17, 2019 391 Comments

**Situation Update - Happy Friday people! I'm happy to share that I've received 4 offers and each of them are at least 50% higher then my current TC!
My stats -
Referrals offered on Blind - 50+
Actual referrals put through by awesome Blinders - 7
Personal network referrals - 8
First round phone calls - 15
Onsites scheduled - 8
Offers generated - 4 (cancelled 3 onsites post all the offers and got 1 rejection from a Series A startup!)
Offers from - Amazon, Apple, Salesforce, Goldman Sachs.

Now the hope is that my H1B work visa gets transferred without any problems!

I'm really very thankful to all of you who took the time out to comment and support me during the rough time. A couple of you have kept in touch throughout and even invited me to their home to chill out from all the stress! You guys reinstated my faith in humanity! I'll do my best to give back to anyone in need.
Thank you!


*Special Note - This post trending on Blind has been absolutely amazing! All this support, referral DMs and kind words...I'm speechless & very thankful! My faith in humanity that was shaken a day ago just came back roaring keeping up with the spirit of the holiday season! Thank you all for taking out the time to read my post and replying to help/comment.

Original post -
I'm at a Principal Product Mgr level in my company (we were acquired by a large public company). Today I met with my manager outside at a coffee shop thinking since I'm up for promotion he wanted to chat about that.

He told me I've till Jan 2020 end to find a new job due to performance reasons! He said he'll send out an official email copying HR that I've 45 days to improve my performance but in the same breath he said making an effort to do that wouldn't make sense. Leaving is the best option. :0

My last performance review from my former manager was excellent and above average in all categories, and my name was also up for promotion just 2 months ago.

He is new, has worked with me just for a month. He stated that the entire senior management of my org supported the decision to let me go. He is clearly influenced by a Sr. Dir guy who has a lot of political clout and I've no idea what I did to piss that guy off!

Should I chat with HR or that'd just piss off my manager? Do I have any legal options?

Anyways, I need to find another Product job in 45 days with the holidays included. And I'll really appreciate if you guys could help out with referrals if your org is hiring for Product person here in Bay area side.

Thanks for reading and hope none of you have such a bad surprise during this holiday season!

YOE - 10

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TOP 391 Comments
  • Adobe PPLx65
    I have gone through something similar on an H1. My experience is that it doesn't help to talk to HR (your manager probably chatted with them before he had that conversation with you). If you can unofficially check with HR before you ask them to intervene, sure! But I would focus on the job hunt at this point. Use the holidays to spruce up your resume and come to terms with what is happening. And then get into interview mode. DM me if you are interested in Adobe. You will be fine...in the near future you will at your next job and be glad you are no longer with this current company/manager.
    Dec 18, 2019 0
  • Microsoft / Eng wave 🏄‍♂️
    You need to have two channels of attack open:
    1. Focus on what’s next and get it done.
    2. Engage your current employer from a position of power:
    - Gather your own copies of evidence that goes against what they say.
    - Don’t do what they hope you’d do - i.e. don’t stop working hard and don’t resign. If you voluntarily resign, you have no case against them. And they will learn they can keep getting away with this. Get their allegations of performance problems in writing.
    - Talk to your own lawyer as soon as possible - they will give you better advice on what to do than me and anyone else here.

    You can do this!
    Dec 18, 2019 0
  • Amazon / Product awspm
    Sorry to hear that - what company?
    Dec 17, 2019 16
  • Is there any evidence to show your performance either bad or good? If so, you can have a talk with HR when they put you on PIMP. They can’t just let you go without any evidence. It is a bad situation, sorry to hear that. Wish you luck.
    Dec 17, 2019 9
    • Intel qazwas
      This isn't true. They can fire you for any reason (or no reason) at any time (except protected classes). There is no requirement to document performance or put you on PIP. Most companies do, but they could literally say "we are firing you because er don't like your haircut" and there is nothing you can do
      Dec 18, 2019
    • Apple
      SamWellJr

      Apple

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      Qualcomm
      SamWellJrmore
      i94lfe, I think you are brainwashed. If they say for performance reasons, they have to prove it. If they don’t give a reason at all, then it is difficult to know why they fire you and that is a different matter
      Dec 22, 2019
  • Tesla 🐉⛈
    Probably cutting you for cost reasons?
    Dec 17, 2019 8
    • Tesla 🐉⛈
      No downsides. You have to send documents so it’s a hassle.
      Dec 18, 2019
    • Tableau fragmented
      Some companies will only state you were employed by them and duration, nothing more. You can ask HR what your company does when called to confirm employment history
      Dec 18, 2019
  • Amazon UxOY54
    Did you do something to piss off your manager? It’s very strange
    Dec 18, 2019 14
    • Salesforce #itsme
      @wonderman
      if you can't help them don't hurt them
      Dec 19, 2019
    • Facebook psclover
      I just wish that I never become friend of people like wonderman. Such an inexperienced person who doesn't realize how bullshit this corporate world is and how much politics is played everyday. And on top of that, so low self awareness and being arrogant. Thank God I am not a person like you!
      Dec 22, 2019
  • Apple patek-p
    What your manager did is illegal and you can take the company to court, PIP or performance improvement plan is meant to give you a change to get better and keep your job, what your manager said is prejudice and it means you don’t have any chance to pull out of PIP, take this to HR he can get fired by telling you this and they will most likely move you to a new manager and you will keep your job, they/he fucked up big and if you take action you can save yourself, assuming you really want to. Good luck!
    Dec 18, 2019 9
    • A manager tried to put me on PIP for personal reasons, unfortunately I had proof of all his Lies and I took it to HR. I kept my job for another year while I searched. Got a much better one obviously.
      Dec 20, 2019
    • IBM fTaY55
      Illegal? Cite the law being broken or stop talking out of your ass.
      Dec 20, 2019
  • Intuit WenWen3782
    What company? It sounds like they're just trying to fuck you.
    Dec 17, 2019 5
    • Apple ftfxj
      Yeah, what’s that they can do? Fire you? They already did that. But most likely they can’t figure that out at first place.
      Dec 18, 2019
    • Facebook sxjj41
      Lol op didn’t they already fire you? What more can they do? Since this post is trending give em some bad publicity
      Dec 19, 2019
  • Lucidworks kSPK65
    I went through this once, and what many above have stated regarding HR is more or less correct. I wrote a massive letter to HR and the CPO, detailing the manager’s day-one efforts to wrongfully remove me, her multiple public outbursts, and habit of ignoring my well-communicated disabilities multiple times. I cited harassment and discrimination in the letter due to these issues, and HR stopped the PIP dead in its tracks while then placing me under a new manager. Keep in mind, I had all the necessary documentation ready to go, and when I spoke with HR I appeared as pleasant and eager to help/listen as possible.

    I’m sorry you’re going through this. The reality of tech work at even moderately-successful startups is that politics and ego often ends up overriding ethics and reason as mid-level or higher management vies to carve themselves each a name or fiefdom and defend it. Likewise, the closer you are to Silicon Valley the worse it seems to get. If you have solid documentation and the fight is worth it, then fight hard and use HR, the CPO, and whatever avenues possible to make your predicament known. Just realize that you can only play this card once. Even if it works, HR may come to view you as a risk and fellow management or coworkers may hold you in worse regard, so looking for better employment is a good idea still.

    Good luck. We’re with you Rogue One.
    Dec 18, 2019 4
    • Lucidworks kSPK65
      Fun bit was that was my last semester of post-back CS/Math and I still finished that semester and the last one. Hit the dean’s list that semester as well.
      Dec 18, 2019
    • New uh huh
      OP
      Thank you Lucidworks for sharing your story here! You're one baller of a person!
      :)
      Dec 18, 2019
  • New uh huh
    OP
    This post trending on Blind has been absolutely amazing! All this support, referral DMs and kind words...I'm speechless & very thankful! My faith in humanity that was shaken a day ago just came back roaring keeping up with the spirit of the holiday season! Thank you all for taking out the time to read my post and replying to help/comment.
    Dec 18, 2019 0

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