YOE: 18 but no cloud experience Location: Dallas Current: 225 TC as Sr. SA Initially interviewed for L7 SA. Loop went well but still rejected. Loop results were liked by ProServ team who offered L6 Sr. CIA after 2 additional interviews. I accepted as I was desperate to leave current job, learn something new, and get a FAANG tag. Here is my offer (this is after negotiating; they increased s/o but refused more rsu). How bad is it exactly? :-) Role: L6 ProServ CIA Location: Dallas Base 160k capped S/O: 222k over 2y RSU: ~260k over 4y This makes TC ~300k Feeling even worse now as I got promoted to G12 at Cisco just last week. Honestly I wouldn't even have looked outside if this promotion had happened within time as I have great WLB at Cisco. I saw some L6 SDE and even PM offers at 375-390 on Blind. Is it normal at AWS for PM (assume it means project mgr) to be paid as much as SDE/SA? At most companies I've seen PM is not considered a tech role and typically on the lowest end of the spectrum. Unless they mean PM is product manager/program manager. UPDATE: So I've been in this position for a few months now. Just wanted to provide an update to help others. Comments about poor WLB are true but not as bad. Some days are 12+ hours and some days are normal. Totally depends on the project, but note I'm in probably the most important project of our stream. Manager is good, team is just OK in terms of capability (50% are good, 50% are very average). NEGATIVES - There is zero sense of teamwork or enabling others, everybody is either too busy or don't care to really help anyone else. Initial few months are very hard for newcomers to get through with all the training and a boatload of new learnings. Since nobody talks to each other, the project arch, docs, support are a total mess. Also the take-home will go down considerably when the s/o bonus wears off after 2nd year and RSU have barely kicked-in. Insurance, 401k and other benefits are sub-standard.
If you got promoted last week, why not stay?
I already accepted and signed the AWS contract before I was informed of the promotion. At Cisco, WLB aside, I see a lot of issues with strategy/structure, incompetent non-tech ppl (sales, program manager,DM are frustrating to deal with), ineffective middle management, too many fluff roles doing essentially nothing and getting paid the same
It probably isn't a binding contract, just an offer letter. Just tell them something else came up. This happens to people and companies all the time. The only difficulty is if there are visa complications, but without those, you aren't a slave. Do what you want. Better to tell them now than to regret and quit after a few months. That would be a waste of your and their time and resources.
SDM/EM > SDE > PM > SA salary wise.
They don't make these TCs easily in TX. The TC offered to you isn't bad. If you haven't joined yet, yiu can always tell your recuiter they you got promoted and would need them to improve your offer.
Solid offer for an L6 SA. L7s could do 350-375 in Dallas. But Proserv is fucked up. Too many projects and too few people. Prepare to do 12 hours a day for a long time.
Yes thats my biggest concern with CIA role. I'll be trying a move to SA in my vertical ASAP.
AWS technical PMs get as high as SDEs. PM decides everything at AWS. it is not engineering driven culture here. many PMs,are very technical. if they are not technical, they most likely graduated from a big MBA school SA gets lower than SDE and PM. your offer is great for L6 SA. last year they didnt give anything higher than 250K for Texas but since they updated the ranges, you got a good SA offer
This isn’t correct. I got well over $250k in Texas as L6 in 2019.
If it’s Sr. CIA in ProServe, forget WLB. You’ll regret joining. SA role is different from ProServe. You can always renege the offer and stay back at Cisco and look for better opportunity. You’ll be expected to know most of AWS services in 3 months, have certifications etc. Be mentally prepared to slog 12-15 hours a day.
I know it depends on the team and manager but is WLB really that poor in CIA compared to SA? I don't mind working hard to learn, but I hate working hard just to satisfy unjustified goals
In ProServe, it doesn’t depend on your team or manager. It all depends on the project and the client, it can be migration or Android or web app or devops or anything random under sun on AWS. You are a one man army.
FU dude. That’s a good offer for L6
That’s a ridiculously good deal for Dallas. Celebrate, don’t whine.
just reneg,trust your gut feeling
Is location in Dallas area? If so that TC is really good..
Yes Dallas