SeattleAug 10, 2017
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Affirmative Action

Whats your stance on it?

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grizzled Aug 10, 2017

To paraphrase Chief Justice Roberts, the only way to stop discrimination is to stop discriminating.

Pure Storage 7331fu Aug 10, 2017

You don't help people by giving them a handicap. You might even the score, but you don't make them a better player.

Amazon pufferduck Aug 10, 2017

If it's just encouraging underrepresented minorities to apply and reaching out to let them know what opportunities are available, that's ok. If it's lowering the hiring bar for them or altering the interview process in any way that gives them a higher chance of being hired just because of their race or gender, then yes, I have a problem with that.

Blue Origin M245 Aug 14, 2017

This is also my view. I had a negative personal experience (at Boeing, coincidentally) where they hired in this lady a level above me who checked off a lot of diversity boxes (female, minority, non-native, etc.) but barely knew how to even type with two hands. We gave her a chance, trained her thinking she'd adapt... Even after 3-4 months, she showed no improvement and maybe had the productivity of half a head. She constantly needed her hand held on everything. Eventually, I left because the whole situation was ridiculous. It was so obvious they lowered the bar significantly for her, and I wondered what competent white person we rejected to get her. tldr; this is a story of how affirmative action and a focus on ONLY diversity screwed the rest of us in the org over

Amazon pufferduck Aug 14, 2017

Last week at Amazon there was a talk / shark tank about diversity in the workplace, specifically for underrepresented minorities. In the chat of the broadcast, one concerned employee mentioned that his team had been pressured into hiring a "diversity candidate" who was clearly unqualified for the job (software engineering), and this eventually caused a couple members of the team to quit the team because they were so upset with the politics of it. After asking what was being done to maintain the hiring bar while still accounting for diversity, he was immediately attacked by 4 members of the underrepresented minorities group, who became very defensive and made it seem like he was the one attacking them. It's honestly a bit disappointing when legitmate issues can no longer be discussed because of the overwhelming PC culture. The echo chambering has got to stop.

JDA Software Dazhdbog Aug 10, 2017

Unfortunately necessary, but only when used correctly

Apple Pie Aug 10, 2017

Right. So when it inevitably fails you can just claim that it “wasn’t used correctly”.

JDA Software Dazhdbog Aug 10, 2017

Only ways it really fails are 1) hiring unqualified candidates to meet a quota (which is illegal in the US), or 2) the diversity goal gets in the way of hiring speed.

Microsoft chownus Aug 10, 2017

Trickle Down Diversity that never affects anyone below middle class. Take the money and help schools improve real technical education. The next generation is ill equipped between iPhones and Twitter. Everyone works as a barista and cares more about getting high and Twitter drama. not sustainable forever

Exabeam RAVL48 Aug 10, 2017

Absolutely racism. Divisive and counter-productive.

Databricks datadicks Aug 12, 2017

By any means necessary is a pro affirmative action group. Just the name should be a red flag