Not really a #metoo thing, but want to hide the company for obvious reasons.
Recently started interviewing at a few places, FANG and some startups. People are very eager to talk to me, mostly going straight to onsites and/or coffee chats with management.
Somehow I just can’t shake the feeling, people are only interested in me so much because I am a woman and the teams I’m talking to are not particularly diverse.
Really don’t want to be a diversity hire
Not really a #metoo thing, but want to hide the company for obvious reasons.
- Microsoft TooLongmoreThere’s been so much discrimination to women for so many years at the workplace and there still is that I think a little bit of positive discrimination to sets things right is fair.
- Microsoft TooLongmore@DiverseAF if you refer to me : my life is not shitty plus I’ve never been happier. + @SeaHawk: my point with life will happen to you, too is that you both think as these people as others. That’s a big problem cause again: life will happen to you, too plus you need to plan for backup when you hire someone even if she is not pregnant or a mother or a sick person or a person with elderly parents or with any other problem that could prevent that person from doing his/her job.Feb 18, 2018 0
- Undisclosed Teln83As a female hiring manager, I can tell you that I’m excited about building a diverse team, but I’m not wasting my time on unqualified candidates.
- Undisclosed metoo1Bit confused on why you think a team has to be ALL men or ALL women for it to be considered qualified. Again, it is possible to have a qualified team that has men, women, other ethnicities, other personality types, etc and be both diverse and qualified team. Not mutually exclusive.Mar 2, 2018 0
- Undisclosed 1deqXR6wcQThe cost of the SJW agenda: we are denied the ability to compete solely on merit.
As a minority, I resent being treated differently by those trying to “help;” primarily white liberals attempting to assuage their guilt. It’s so degrading. Others will always wonder if I only got where I am due to factors totally outside my control. Or they will resent me because I may have taken the position from someone more qualified.
During one hiring discussion, the HM/recruiter agreed we could have hired the candidate, but he was male so we had to pass. They explicitly stated they would hire if he were female. He was a Chinese man. I was in favor of hiring him. Guess he wasn’t the right minority!
The only solution is meritocracy: no forced quotas, no diversity hires, no affirmative action. Ironically, what I’m calling for is an end to institutionalized discrimination, but SJWs don’t see how discriminatory and racist/sexist they actually are.
- Meritocracy isn’t a solution, it’s an unattainable ideal because of inherent human bias. People will always prefer the what they perceive as “same”. It’s well-established behavior. At least some of the bigger companies try to weed this out of the equation by having blind feedback, hiring committees, etc during the hiring process.
Add to that that there is no objective measure of “quality” or “effectiveness” in almost any field that can’t be gamed to show more merit. Merit is unavoidably qualitative.Feb 17, 2018 2
- Undisclosed updwncryptMeritocracy? Lol. It doesn't exist. If you think it does, how do you assess it? The criteria you call or think of as merit are not really that much of merit. Just because you worked hard and hustle to aquire your skills, you're attempt to attribute your "job offer" to your very own unique talent. Forgetting about your referrals, your network, your mentors, your role models. Last time I checked still 80% of jobs are from referrals and the tech world is crazy about this nowadays. Recruiter will asked if you know anyone that works at their company. That doesn't sound very "meritocratic" to me.
You get the job if you manage to convince the hiring board that you're promising good candidate that will make the company more money. That's it. And there so much more into this than your skills ( I know, I know, whiteboard and hard Interviews). But, you should know that when you get hire, the other person in the shortlist was probably as skilled as you, maybe a bit more skilled than you. At this point you only get the job because your interviewer, based on his internal biases an judgement, think you'll be a good fit for the role. It's been well known by now that people like people with similarities, also people presume you're competent if you look like someone they know that's also competent. Very few people are open minded without effort to be conscious about it, most people aren't. So basically the variable that played out for your success at getting hire turn out not to be your skills, even though you're skilled.
Basically I wrote all this just to tell you got the job because of lot external factors, not because you deserve or merit it. "Meritocracy" is the lie we tech world tell to feel good about them selves. They don't wanna seems as wall street boys club. No they're changing the world fighting injustice 😂
Finally I'll say, companies only put they money where they mouth are. If they hired a person, it means they would be making money off it, in the long run or short run.
Maybe in your case the manager is trying to avoid creating an toxic environment that would gross out the next rockstar hire that's female ( rockstar come in all shape or form or skin tone). As a leader you have think about every cases. That's clearly not your cup of "thinking" I can see...😁. That's why chances are no one put you in that role.Feb 18, 2018 1
- Microsoft hskf81That’s alright - my manager straight up told me I was a diversity hire. :(
- I’ll add to the discussion too DiverseAF that it’s awesome that you don’t feel like being a woman puts you at a disadvantage and that you didn’t realize it could be one till you moved to America. But many women do feel that way, and it’s not an American phenomenon. There are female activists and authors all around the world and all throughout history who have railed against social mores and laws that specifically target and diminish women.Feb 17, 2018 3
- Bloomberg jdsF61There are no such thing as diversity hire. World is an unfair place and you need every advantage you can get. Use whatever you have to your best advantage, ace the onsites, get multiple offers and starting a bidding war. Don’t believe the bullshit that you are diversity hire, if you get the offer then you have earned it.
- Square: being white/male gives us an advantage. Doesn’t mean we haven’t earned what we have - but it also doesn’t mean the advantage doesn’t exist. Some folks are born stronger than others - doesn’t mean that diminishes all the time they spend in the gym. But it also doesn’t mean they weren’t born with something other people don’t get.Feb 17, 2018 1
- New / Other 01509I am an African-American woman who also syffers from clinical depression and was recently diagnosed with MS, although I don't have any fatigue, numbness or anything else.
Every time I apply for a job, it ends with a EEO questionnaire about my race, gender, veteran status and if I have a disability.
I am an accomplished professional and am good at what I do but I don't want and shouldn't be considered a minority hire. Does it count againt me if I answer these questions? Would it be best to leave them blank?
- Those questions are there for reporting purposes to make sure companies aren't subtly discriminating in who they contact. HR doesn't even have access to your responses to those questions, they just sit in a db somewhere for reporting. If you care about equal opportunity you absolutely should answer those questions. They actually are used that way and discrimination lawsuits absolutely are won based on EEO.Feb 25, 2018 1