Amazon Hire And Develop The Best

Feb 6 12 Comments

if they hire the best why do they need to PIP.

does this LP mean when someone is PIPed, the interview loop should be PIPed too?

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  • You get a PIP! You get a PIP!
    Everyone’s getting a PIP!
    Feb 6 0
  • Amazon
    woco89

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    woco89
    Only need to pip the bar raiser and HM
    Feb 6 1
  • New
    loveeee

    New

    loveeee
    PIP the CEO because he didn't hire the best that hires the best recursively.
    Feb 6 0
  • Google
    ABC-CEO

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    ABC-CEO
    Read the LP again: Hire and Develop the Best (and PIP the Rest)
    Feb 6 1
  • Google
    L8

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    L8
    There are some hardcore LP and Bar Raising enthusiasts that would say the company should constantly hire better & better people (raise the bar). So there is no conflict - simply sometimes people fall below the new bar and unless their performance improves, well.
    It's all a load of bullcrap of course, esp. the bar is continuously lowered, not raised, which is true for all large organisations (Google included, of course).
    Btw, all companies have PIP or equivalent thereof, Amazon is not unique in this (it's not even unique in forcing the curve / stack ranking, and forced URA quotas) - it just happens to be quite large so a lot of people complain about being PIPped *and* forced out of there.
    Feb 6 3
    • Google
      L8

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      L8
      Are you confusing pip and forced attrition quota?
      Yes Google has pip and yes Google has curve fitting which means there is an expectation that certain percentage of the population will get NI hence PIP.

      It's the same thing as in Amazon up until this point. However, Amazon also has a quota on how many people they want to say goodbye to, and to get there the PIP 'budget' even needs to start above the LE rating sometimes.

      Similar to Google, Microsoft doesn't do the latter now... though both did for some time in some form, at Google it lasted one perf season only though, while MS had very real stack ranking and bottom culling for a while. Amazon also had periods/business units with low or zero URA quotas, but apparently not anymore.

      And this is a rather common practice in smaller businesses, or any place where there is a straightforward correlation between individual performance and business success. (This is why Amazon sticks to that I suppose, since they run the warehouses that operate in this simple model, and they want to treat everyone the 'same')
      Feb 8
    • Google
      L8

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      L8
      +1 though i guess if you don't really have budget pressure - like Amazon or Google then you end up with virtual methods to deal with low performance. The bulk of the difference lies in numbers - Google's NI bucket is 2% and more than half people claim out of PIP, Amazon has 10% and while they also have around 50% survival rate, that doesn't include people that don't even try and just take the leave bonus that PIP provides, which means around 6% people exit due to low performance compared to Google <1%. Both have the process, one is less forced, ultimately the difference is this 5%....

      I agree Amazon cannot really keep this up, not at this scale, it's just ridiculous.
      Feb 11