CompensationDec 10, 2018
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Amazon L7 Sr. SDM Offer evaluation

Received the verbal offer today. 160 base 550 bonus 450 units of stock (that is 738k at today's price) Year 1 &year 2 TC: ~500k/yr Year 3&4 TC: ~450k/yr(excluding stock growth - hard to predict). What do u think? Low, abv or high offer? How room do I have for negotiation? Anyone knows the L7 ceiling?

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Alibaba 11.11 Dec 10, 2018

Congrats, what is your current level in MSFT?

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

67

Morgan Stanley ninja007 Dec 10, 2018

Congratulation on an L7 SDM offer. Numbers wise - this looks close to a stretch top of band L6 offer (for years 3-4). I think you have room for 50-100k more - easily. Bonus seems pretty high - I’d shoot for 600 RSUs - should be achievable. Source: L6 offer I had - which maxed out at 450

Amazon Northman Dec 10, 2018

Offers always assume 15% per year appreciation. So no, this is a clear L7 offer.

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

Thanks. That was my hunch too. 67@MS could go get as high as 700K+ on a very good year. So this *seems* a bit low for a level that Amazon recruiters boast Ms 68s (partners) join. Not sure how statistically true that is.

Roku CsPw57 Dec 10, 2018

Base is low, but that's typical Amazon. overall a very good offer, especially if the stock retraces earlier growth pattern. Also I think Amazon offer assumes 15% yoy stock growth for your target comp and you will be compensated for the difference if stock doesn't grow that much (I heard this from the recruiter while negotiating my offer a while ago)

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

As far as I have learned - you should not count in stock growth. Things get too complicated/subjective at that point. But good to know that Amazon matches if 15% growth is lacking. Do u know how do they make up? More stocks? Cash?

Tibco software !qwerty! Dec 10, 2018

What is your YOE?

eBay paxt Dec 10, 2018

what’s your YOE total and in management?

Twitch CP0 Dec 10, 2018

This is pretty fair for L7, you probably have a bit of room to negotiate. Go for 175 base

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

Wait a sec. Isn't 160k base is capped?

Amazon Northman Dec 10, 2018

160 is cap in Seattle.

Amazon djsjsjsj Dec 10, 2018

Very low.

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

Care to elaborate? Or r u just trolling :-)

Amazon djsjsjsj Dec 10, 2018

L6 can get 450k for real

Amazon Northman Dec 10, 2018

Yes, but that is an exception and requires VP approval. Its out of band in Seattle.

Amazon djsjsjsj Dec 10, 2018

need to update your number for real.

Amazon myamz Dec 10, 2018

Good L7 offer. You will start accumulating new stocks after the second year. So your years 3 and 4 will be higher than what you have here even with zero stock growth. You have a room for extra initial stock Grant's though to get your comp to 520-530

Microsoft off base OP Dec 10, 2018

Nope. Year 3&4 vests 50% each. With no growth, at today's price that would be ~290+160 base = ~450k which is 10% less than year 1!

Amazon joke Dec 15, 2018

Microsoft is so wrong.. Amazon person is right. You get more grants 2nd year onwards.

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xOBq82 Sep 25, 2019

Did you end up joining Amazon? Care to share the final numbers? I am in a similar situation right now. Thx!

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000🦉 Oct 17, 2019

L7 SDM? What is your offer? Seattle?