Tech IndustryApr 12, 2019
Googleaegr56

Amazon L7 TPM vs Google L5 TPM

Amazon L7 IC TPM - 450K TC 30 minute worse commute Google L5 IC TPM - 350K TC Seattle. Also, would like to move into a manager position. It seems like I would have more opportunity to do that at Amazon - SDM/GeneralManager/etc and more teams/opportunity? There are not many TPM people manager positions at G in Seattle and you seem to be stuck in the TPM ladder.

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Microsoft ImAwesome Apr 12, 2019

Do you mind sharing your amazon TC Break down?

Amazon oksureamz Apr 12, 2019

It’s going to be all stock. They cap the base in Seattle at 160.

Google aegr56 OP Apr 13, 2019

Correct. Standard 5/15/40/40 rsu vest with cash bonus making up the difference the first 2 years

Microsoft optimise Apr 12, 2019

Go for Amazon

Amazon vttuuusj Apr 12, 2019

Do you think the hiring bar at Amazon is lower than Google?

Google aegr56 OP Apr 13, 2019

Amazon interview was more intense, but they seem to be more flexible in what they’re willing to accept. More technical of an interview for sure. Google seems to be looking for extremely specific narrow things, if you don’t demonstrate the exact experience they’re looking for, even if it are good, you won’t make it.

Amazon JSnowflake Apr 12, 2019

L7 TPM is a big, high visibility role in an org. And plenty of opportunity to move to people management. I would take that over an L5 TPM role at G. I know Amazonians who moved to L5 TPM at Google - one was an L5 SDM, one was an L6 TPM. An L7 of any sort is 1-2 rungs higher. Don't pass that up.

Google aegr56 OP Apr 13, 2019

Thanks for this insight.

Oracle welle Apr 14, 2019

Sorry to deviate , How many yrs of experience one must have as a TPM to apply for L5 TPM at Google ? I was a lead software engineer before making a shift to TPM and have overall 8 yrs exp

Amazon vttuuusj Apr 12, 2019

I don’t think so. TPM is an awkward position between SDM and PM. Lots of them in Amazon were converted from QAEs. It is a vaguely defined role eating the payroll but has low real impact. They try very hard to obtain visibility and impact but can hardly be respected. Many SDEs’ impressions of TPMs at Amazon are those who send follow-up emails all the time asking “where we are in the progress”. Please SDMs are also doing that and PMs ask that all the time too. It’s neither T nor PM.

Amazon JSnowflake Apr 12, 2019

Sure... but an L7 Principal TPM is different from an L5 or L6. They are overseeing org-scale programs, not chasing individual SDEs.

Amazon vttuuusj Apr 13, 2019

What do L7 SDM and L7 PM manager do? Do these two really need something in between?

Microsoft UseDeFeet Apr 12, 2019

Since you added it as a variable, would you work a second job that requires just 1 hour per day job for $100k?

Google aegr56 OP Apr 13, 2019

It’s probably more than one hour. One hour is just the commute. I’d also anticipate needing to actually work longer hours at amazon. But you are right, for 100K...

Cloudera bluecat Apr 12, 2019

Are you guys talking about product manager or program manger?

Google aegr56 OP Apr 13, 2019

Technical program manager

Google graphicalg Apr 12, 2019

How did you get $350k as L5 TPM from Google? Was that a counteroffer after you told them about Amazon’s offer?

Cisco U there Apr 19, 2019

🐋

Amazon 🦇❤️♋️ Apr 14, 2020

Yeah that sounds high. My friend’s offer was 280k for L5

CVS Health JholBaba Apr 12, 2019

What does a L5 TPM do at Amazon??

Amazon 🦇❤️♋️ Apr 14, 2020

Two types: domain vs launch. Domain tpm helps a sdm to manage a team backlog, run standup, own office hour to interface with outside teams that want a feature from you. Launch tpm owns the launch of a new feature from PRFAQ review scoping to tech design doc writing to resourcing to project planning to weekly status tracking reporting to beta testing to launch to post launch transition. U r engineering owner for the execution of a feature basically. L5 will be a small feature. If the product is iPhone camera app, the feature will be adding a filter. L6 will be lunching the new app. L7 will be launching the app if the app is a marquee prime benefit feature with press release teed up

Amazon 🍪cutter Apr 12, 2019

TPM Amazon.