Amazon L7 SDM (AWS) offered Google L6 SDM role. Team size reduces by 4X. From managing managers going to managing IC. Worth taking? YOE: 15. TC (Amazon): 550K Don’t have Google TC yet.
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Why would you take it? Seems downgrade
It might be worth it. Working with Google caliber ICs is a different beast.
Unless you want to really quit amazon or the TC is much higher, don't take a down level. From all I've heard, getting promoted at Google is very arbitrary
Is it a down level tho? Isnt L7 at Amazon equivalent to L6 at Google?
From what I’ve been told by the recruiter - L7 from Amazon maps to L6 at Google. But I am not sure if she is just saying it.
Depends what you want to optimize for. I came from AWS, miss the team/culture there. Google pampers its employees. If that's what you want, go for it. They're the best at it. If you want to have impact and do stuff, stay at AWS. SWE, 320k TC
Thanks. Some more questions since you’ve been at AWS earlier. What do you miss from AWS (specifically) that is missing at Google? How does Google pamper employees :)? If you don’t mind me asking - does Google offer refills (stocks) every year? Is your TC @Google a step-up from AWS?
AWS encourages product ownership from its engineering staff. Google less so, that's way more driven from the product teams. It has a more authoritarian feeling to it, like if you challenge the decisions, you're swimming outside of your lane. At AWS it was encouraged and expected to challenge anything you thought wasn't right. And you can drive product decisions you're passionate about. Google also has a really arrogant engineering culture. It's a pretty obvious side effect of a leetcode-driven interviewing process in retrospect. For example, everyone here uses the term "Google-scale", as if they're undoubtedly working at greater scale than anyone else, but coming from one of the largest scale AWS services, and having looked at all the metrics at both companies, it's a pretty laughable claim. Google has better tooling for most of the coding-specific flows, but AWS has better tools for every other engineering function. I strongly miss the metrics tooling and culture at AWS. And pipelines. Google just doesn't have a similar story around operational excellence. Google pampers its employees in every way. Food, massages, micro kitchens with snacks, 401k match, random spot bonuses for doing exceptional things (low bar for that here), peer bonuses, lack of frugality for expensing things and discretionary budgets. Basically if you want to rest and vest, go to Google. I'm quite young in my career (4 YOE) and want to build big things so I'll probably be moving on, either back to AWS or somewhere else. TC at Google is higher, but I was promoted at Amazon into low ish end of band (unavoidable without VP exception I hear). If I boomerang back, it'd be at top of band with comparable pay.
It’s generally a lateral move financially but a significant impact/scope downgrade. If you feel stuck or bored, then go for it. You can always come back.
Amazon L7 maps to Google L6 so not really a downgrade.
I would not take it unless Amazon is truly awful.
Pretty much agree with this. I'd take it to my VP to parlay it into top of band comp, if you have a good rapport with your VP, @OP.
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