Amazon Principal PM offer - wdyt?

New PMzzz
Apr 20, 2018 25 Comments

I just got an offer to join Amazon as a Principal PM in Seattle:

$148k base
$98k signing bonus, spread over 2 years
215 RSUs with the usual AMZN vesting schedule (5%/15%/20%...)

I'd like to get to 255 RSUs. Is that going to be a reach? Should I try to get more in signing bonus instead? That would get me closer to what I am making now. (I'm happy to take a small pay cut in this case.)

For background, I have 10 years experience, and a very specific skill set that matches to the team.

I've already looked at Glassdoor, Levels, and posts on Blind, but you know how it is...it would be super helpful to get feedback from current/former Amazonians!

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  • Microsoft Lotl
    Salary and sign on are super low for L7. Try and get as much up front as you can. That’s a weak L6 offer.

    Edit: Counter with 160 salary, 260k sign on, 320 RSU if truly L7.
    Apr 20, 2018 4
    • Microsoft Lotl
      Ask the recruiter what level. Without knowing it’s really hard to counter.
      Apr 20, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Lambada

      New Eng

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      Lambadamore
      Principal should be L7. But that is an extremely low offer. Are you sure this isn’t a TPM role? But even then it is very low.
      Apr 20, 2018
  • Amazon / Other Msg615
    I’m a L6 PM, that offer is not bad, but there is some room to go up as it’s close to mine (principal is L7 so you should be a bit higher). If you’re ok with the base and bonus, go for the RSU ask. I would caution though, beware that you will never see a salary annual raise higher than ~3% (even that will be rare, not exaggerating here), so don’t count on ever making more than 150k base once you take that offer. If they try to give you a line about “we want some room to grow your salary”, it’s BS. If base is important to you, make sure they give you the full 160 for Seattle or 180 (I think?) for Cali.
    Apr 20, 2018 8
    • Amazon Heapster
      ^^^
      Apr 20, 2018
    • Amazon fHQu87
      Your recruiter is playing you. Expect at least 2 years to promo. If you are LUCKY (not based on performance), could be 1 year. If your manager leaves and a new one comes in they will not have context to promote you and so you will effectively lose the inside track.

      A study by HR showed every time your manager changes your promo is delayed 6 months on average. So keep in mind your recruiter is making promises she absolutely cannot keep based on many things outside both your control and recruiters control.

      You better like how you negotiate in.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    Tupak

    Google Eng

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    Tupakmore
    Is it me or this is really low. Would it be as low if it was a swe? At google, l7 easily clears 500k$/year
    Apr 20, 2018 6
    • New / Eng
      Lambada

      New Eng

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      Lambadamore
      Amazon used to have lots of churn and were desperate to get eng to join. Many people left within 2 years. Things have changed. Churn is way down at Amazon and they were recently voted most popular employer in the US.

      So, they are adjusting offers accordingly. Leveling down and paying less. Frugality is one of the LP after all. Why be aggressive with pay if lots of people want to join.

      People that join Amazon now are buying at the top.

      See Oracle for a company at the other end of the spectrum. Need talent, paying crazy money, getting great people to move.

      Apr 20, 2018
    • Google nobody.
      Amazon levels don't map 1:1 with Google. See levels.fyi
      Apr 20, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt BakBown
    This is PM and not PM-T? I’d ask for the $160K base max for sure. That way anything in the future will be RSUs.
    Apr 20, 2018 1
    • Samsung dApu68
      PM Vs PM-T...who makes more at the same level?
      Dec 19, 2018
  • McKinsey McKanon
    Just landed on this thread. What was the final offer?
    May 24, 2019 0
  • Amazon / Product Fuytfdzh
    Seems low for Principal PM. Ask about level and ask if PM or PM-T.
    Apr 20, 2018 0

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