Amazon bar raisers are a joke

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Aug 8, 2019 23 Comments

I have been in interview panel for like 4 years and today I’ve decided I’ll no more be taking part in the interview process at Amazon.

It was the end of my patience today. Out of 5 all except the bar raiser were Inclined and the bar raiser vetoed to ‘Not Inclined’ because he felt candidate just Met the bar, where he should have raised it.

Why do you have other interviewers on panel, if you are going to enforce your bias. Venting here because I am not allowed to that there. These people are like God here.

Sorry Amazon, but you are losing out on really good people because of this so called ‘Veto’.

Have been on atleast 25-30 such loops, where the final decision made no sense, and it has mostly been a no hire.

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  • Spotify / Eng qbeforeu
    the thing where the company expects that you beat expectations is also comical
    Aug 8, 2019 1
    • Google ls hi 9b3h
      Google does this. Exceeds is normal, strong exceeds is promo candidate. Superb is very rare basically an underpaid L+1. Meets is the signal to leave unless you were a recent promo/hire or you want to rest and vest.
      Aug 8, 2019
  • Amazon / Eng KHCr70
    Unless there is a chronic shortage of sdes it sounds like they are doing their job?

    Or are you disagreeing with their assessment that they "only meet the bar"?
    Aug 8, 2019 1
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      Should have been more clear. There were so many examples provided by the 4 inclined along with data but none for them raised the bar. Many BRs just stick to their assumptions and veto their own data points. 4 who are inclined rarely can be wrong. A reason why many people have stopped being on the loop now a days.

      Infact we disagreed with their ‘Met the bar’ but that went on deaf ears!
      Aug 8, 2019
  • E*Trade / Finance cbEV72
    Wtf is bar raiser? Is it official role
    Aug 8, 2019 4
    • Oracle pzd
      Yeah that should be the hiring committee's job.
      Aug 8, 2019
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      Thats my exact point! A code by some candidate made no sense to one of the BR, just because he felt something was missed, he was a dev before joining Amazon and in a non tech role here.

      I got that code and asked one of my friend BR, who is also a SDE III, 8 years in Amazon and he said it had some errors but still raises the bar by a huge margin.

      One person vetoing others makes no sense.
      Aug 8, 2019
  • Spotify / Eng qbeforeu
    Amazon wasting people’s time? that’s new
    Aug 8, 2019 0
  • McAfee JohnMcPee
    I guess they do raise the bar. It’s just that it’s directionally the other way.
    Aug 8, 2019 0
  • Tableau Kaczynski
    While Amazon has one of the most methodical and standardized approaches to interviewing, that shit drove me bonkers when I was there. Usually some dumb inconsequential thing that could be easily overcome or was not so much a deficit that the person’s strengths would not have far outweighed it.
    Aug 8, 2019 3
    • Tableau Kaczynski
      Can you “quit” interviewing? Didn’t seem like it was *optional* when I was there, though admittedly that was years ago.
      Aug 8, 2019
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      Yes you can, I am just going to make myself unavailable or decline. It really feels bad on missing a good candidate. I know its not going to change anything but atleast I’ll have the peace of mind, of not being involved in such bad decisions.
      Aug 8, 2019
  • Amazon / Eng xsRn05
    “Bar raiser” at Amazon isn’t necessarily a bar raiser. One is BR if he is experienced enough at interviewing and at coordinating pre-brief and de-brief.
    Aug 8, 2019 1
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      I have to agree! Some are so odd that they expect the candidate to be perfect!
      Aug 8, 2019
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      That is just about making the candidate feel good. You should not look too much into how the interviewers talked to you.
      Aug 8, 2019
    • Visa / Eng Jdmfe
      It is pretty common
      Aug 8, 2019
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    What level was the loop for? L6/L7
    Aug 8, 2019 1
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      It was a L4\L5
      Aug 8, 2019
  • Oracle OlJs40
    from what I read about Bar Raisers, I am thinking you have to be an amahole to want that job.
    Aug 10, 2019 0

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