Amazon sde 2 or Google L3

Nov 15, 2019 24 Comments

Hello guys!

i got offers from both Amazon and Google. heres the details:

Amazon - Seattle office. Sde 2 level. TC = 240k (155k/164k/78k) there’s also a 56k signon in the 2nd year

Google - Mountain view office. L3 level. Havent got the numbers yet. they kinda lowballed me with the L3 level saying although my interview performance is almost positive, theres still small things to improve. Also, the recruiter said a L4 usually requires 5+ yoe. my yoe is 4 years.

Update:
1. Amazon interview went pretty well. it was a strong hire decision.
2. Google asked for proof of my amazon offer. i sent them the proof. They are only willing to match exactly the amazon offer(TC =241k, 135k/245k/35k, plus 15% annual bonus). Its still a less offer to me considering the living expense and income tax difference between MTV and SEA

Which one should i pick? i would definitely choose Google if i was offered a L4 even with TC in the lower band. Now I hesitated thinking if i take that L3 i may lose a couple years in the career track from this level downgrade. What do you guys think?

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    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      Lol zdps you wanna tell your story?
      Nov 15, 2019
    • Amazon zdps
      I got downleveled to sde2 with >10 years of experience. But I do not complain :)
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Amazon / Eng cHcsavd
    5 yoe? LOL.
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      Ikr! If I have 5 yoe then they will require 6+ yoe. It’s all bs excuses.
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Salesforce peaceguy
    Get the Google numbers first.
    U might negotiate for top of L3
    Nov 15, 2019 2
    • SAP YOuV73
      +1 . Let’s get the offers from google
      Nov 15, 2019
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      I’ll update you guys!
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Google zuckkk
    You can promo in a bit over a year if you time when you join and are good
    Nov 15, 2019 3
    • Good time is 3 weeks before a perf cycle ends, get your mandatory come out of the way. That's what I did and go promo in second real perf
      Nov 19, 2019
    • Also joining later in year is better for stock refreshers
      Nov 19, 2019
  • Google PvJl86
    Use Amazon offer to negotiate to get top of l3 which should be around 200k-230k TC. Then take Google.
    Nov 15, 2019 3
    • Google PvJl86
      I'm guessing you meant L5 at Amazon. I personally worked as L5 at Amazon and downgraded to L3 at Google. 3 of my colleagues did the same. We are all happy with our decisions.

      It comes down to what your goals are.
      Amazon is a stepping stone. It's not a company you can settle down at. They don't value lower level engineers and you don't get paid as well as Facebook.

      If you are a high performer even at the top companies, maybe you should work at Amazon for 0-4 years and move to a company like Facebook.

      If your end goal is to come to a place like Google eventually, where they treat devs really well, you might as well just come now, get used to things, and grow at Google. In the long run, you will end up at the level you should be at Google.
      Nov 19, 2019
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I totally agree with you on personal growth and overall happiness level at Google. I just updated the post wz Google’s TC. It seems like a good pkg to me although still L3.
      Nov 22, 2019
  • Google TheCoaster
    SEA >> MTV
    The hiring bar of L4 is much lower now. No much difference between 3/4 except target level of loop
    Nov 15, 2019 3
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      Enig16 I’m being downleveled here 😥
      Nov 15, 2019
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      I do like SEA over MTV. And google is seriously making this offer not worth it. Do you suggest me to take Amazon?
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Amazon buniwm
    What team for amazon?
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      It’s the physical store team
      Nov 15, 2019
  • IBM Trunk
    What was the feedback on the amazon interview? (In comparison to what G told you)
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Symantec sovereasy
      OP
      They are very interested. My feedbacks are all positive. From what I know, my current offer is top of the band for the level I’m offered.
      Nov 15, 2019

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