Ok now time for final showdown. Here are the numbers Current TC: 32Base + 5 Bonus Amazon SDE2 TC: 34Base + 11JB First year and 7 JB Second Year. + 15Rsu Average: 45L per year. Microsoft SDE2 L61 TC: 25Base + 5+5 JB for 2 years + 50K$ stock for 4 years + 10-20% Bonus Average TC: 40L per year. Might be a cliff after 2 years. YoE: 2y Some other points to note. 1. Microsoft unwilling to negotiate. Seems they want anyone for the role and experience till now has been unprofessional. TC is significantly a joke, where definitely they can give more on stocks at this level. 2. Amazon surprisingly extremely professional experience. Hiring manager is going above the way to want me and keeps checking in with me. The team is a very new team working in IoT related technologies so very low on-call load. Manager seems to like me a lot since day 1 as he had reached out to me himself and got me into the interview pipeline. What do you do here. Looking for sound advice. I fear PiP in Amazon but I had an open discussion with the manager on this and he said you are the last one that should be worried about this. Manager seems way too cool for Amazon standards. Also in the future have plans to move abroad, manager said Seattle move is possible if you want it post a year. Would love some sound advice. Thanks Blind community. #engineering #software #sde2
Based on your question, I think you have already made the choice. Good luck at Amazon!
Why do you feel so? Im still hanging unto the wlb and pip thing. I know for a fact MS could have easily given a decent L61 offer but hasnt.
Which team at msft is this?
Never discuss pip with manager
He brought it up himself. That Iโm sure you might be even thinking about all that.
Amazon's mobility is the best. If the plan is to move aboard, stick with Amazon.
Will I survive a year there without getting pipped ๐
Yeah dude. Don't worry, pips are not that common in India.
Amazon sde2. You can also move to Us or Europe within a year. And you can join Microsoft as l62 later on if you need.
Are you sure within a year? Hows the pip scene in India? People are afraid of it and putting 15+ hours a day?
People are not afraid of pip at all. It's rare. Yes, exactly after one year you can move which is unmatchable . Make sure you are in good terms with your manager . They are also people , not evil !!
The Manager here seems awfully nice though. Surprising for Amazon.
If a team is good, the position would be filled in weeks internally. HMs are forced to hire externally when their reputation inside the company is bad and no one wants to join.
All managers will be nice when they are courting you. Mine was as well. He changed teams of my being 3 months in and whatever projects he had promised won't happen for another few years.
Welcome OP
You mean welcome to Amazon ? ๐
Yeah ๐, Join Amazon. But be aware that JB is split month wise
In case if you are afraid of pip, I have been with Amazon for 7 years. Worked in India and USA both with 5 different teams. I have never worried about pip even once during this time. I have seen a single case of pip till date in my team and I know that person was weak and was struggling since more than a year. I have seen people working just 6-7 hours and still doing fine. Obviously some times there will be more work hence you will be clocking more hours. WLB at Microsoft might be better than Amazon but I would suggest do not worry about pip.
Can I pm you?
Just 6-7 hrs? What falls outside your 'just'? ๐๐๐๐
OP you are 2019 grad then? I heard Amazon SDE2 requires minimum 2.5 years, but you beat that, great!
Yup 2019 grad. I guess thats cause I was reached out by the HM directly. It was a HM referal.
HM approached via LinkedIn ?
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Really good offer from Amazon for 2 yoe. Plus you are getting SDE2! Go for it! You can always jump ship in a year if you donโt like it.