Anyone else get discouraged seeing others total comp being way higher than yours with fewer YoE in the same industry?

SEI Investments deepo
Nov 22, 2019 41 Comments

3 YoE SWE/Data Science 63k TC. Get rejected at every company even with referrals. When discussing comp HR falls around 110k range in NYC. Graduating with a Master's degree from a Top 10 school in Computer Science next year.

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  • Amazon y33tcode
    Everyone is on a different path in life. Even if you are the same age, even if you went to the same school, for same degree. All you see on this app is people who only focus on work and a paycheck. All you focus on at work is the skills of people doing the immediate thing your team needs. I have skills at work my co-workers don't and vice versa, and sometimes it's just a matter of different interests.

    Just do better than yesterday, and especially if you are early career, focus on the immediate next step to get that cheddar. Use the app as leverage, now you know what's possible, but don't dwell on what others have, just use the information to your advantage.

    At 3yoe you don't know shit, and neither do the people posting with entry level TC, they just know data structures/algos/systems design interview questions, but there's so much more to being successful in this industry.
    Nov 22, 2019 4
    • IBM Trunk
      You should also emphasize that successful leetcode completion doesn't mean you can actually solve real world business problems.
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Amazon y33tcode
      I tried to get that point across with "don't know shit"
      Nov 22, 2019
    • HBO / Eng LongNite
      But sadly seems like that’s the industry trend. For people with many year experience, going back to Leetcode is a torture. And also make me feel like shit that I cannot do a medium problem...
      Nov 22, 2019
    • IBM Trunk
      @amazon, HBO Agreed

      My upcoming Amazon interview has a bunch of brain teaser questions that I have to use leetcode for. I haven't done questions like that since I was in college, which is before leetcode even existed. I'm not sure how I'll even do.
      Nov 22, 2019
  • Twitch yikesman
    Your salary seems in line with BS + YoE for a DS.

    The crazy ass DS salaries are for PhDs + experience, in FAANG and top tier unicorns. Adjusted for age, DS make way less than SWE.
    Nov 22, 2019 10
    • Twitch yikesman
      It feels like you're having trouble accepting a harsh reality, and you're arguing with me to get me to change my mind.

      So let me ask instead: is SEI a well-known company? If those 100+k jobs are consistently not interviewing you, does that say anything to you?

      Your market potential will probably double-ish after MS is done.

      For context, I am a PhD with experience in DS, and I make less than people ~6-8 years younger than me who are bachelor SWEs. Adjust accordingly.
      Nov 22, 2019
    • SEI Investments deepo
      OP
      I'm just gonna switch to SWE fuck this bullshit. SWE is miserable and I like DS but I want money more than WLB
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Twitch yikesman
      Not a bad choice, I wish I had done the same. DS is imo a harder job but less lucrative.
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Instructure theprophe+
      SWE isn’t that bad if you work at a decent place. It can be rather easy at some places tbh.
      Nov 23, 2019
    • SEI Investments deepo
      OP
      Ya I think it's easy just boring
      Nov 23, 2019
  • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
    Before working at Google, I viewed higher TC as aspirational rather than discouraging. When you're at the bottom of the bell curve, you can only move up.

    Don't get too discouraged! It took me 6 months to find a job after graduating. I was rejected from a ton of interviews. Then I finally got a SWE offer, for only $50k. I felt super low about myself.

    But then I ended up kicking ass at that job, realized that I didn't suck, and that literally any other SWE job would pay me more. I studied for interviews, and got a job at Google next.
    Nov 22, 2019 4
    • SEI Investments deepo
      OP
      How did you get an interview at google?
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      I think it's because I had a top 10% score in an international programming competition on my resume
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Visa / Eng dkxnwu
      Wow if you are IOI medalist.. you can easily crack google.. IOI itself is much harder than coding interview. It is on another level.
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      I'm not, it was hackerrank
      Nov 23, 2019
  • Uber / Eng LqMz66
    YoE doesn't account for how hard they work. When I was at 3 YoE I was making 100k, mainly because the "3 YoE" is professional years and not counting the fact that I started learning on my own when I was 13. It also wasn't counting the fact that I had no life outside of work and put basically all my free time into learning new things for work.

    It's rarely a good idea to compare yourself to others, especially when you're comparing something as arbitrary as "YoE"
    Nov 22, 2019 3
    • SEI Investments deepo
      OP
      And how do you represent on your resume that you work 80 hours a week at your job? When HR sees your resume all they see is "started 3 years ago"
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Uber / Eng LqMz66
      I wouldn't explicitly put that on my resume, but working 80 hours a week allowed me to have very large impact on the company I worked for at the time, and framing your resume as a list of impacts you had on a company is a lot better than just listing the tasks you did
      Nov 22, 2019
    • Yahoo / Mgmt 57297393
      Uber is right
      Nov 22, 2019
  • Amazon oe8sqj
    I'm absolutely discouraged to work hard when new hires joining the company at same level and lesser YOE are given higher salary than people working for a long time at the company. If the company can't value long term employees it's going to have a slow death, and that's pretty much all the current companies.
    Nov 22, 2019 2
    • Instructure theprophe+
      Yeah you pretty much have to leave for some other company to get an increased salary. Crazy thing is once you do they might hire you back for even more sometimes (given time in between). Which makes no sense lol
      Nov 23, 2019
    • AT&T MsdR32
      Boomerang baby!
      Nov 23, 2019
  • McKinsey three.14
    Look at what happened to THE TECHLEAD. Lost his wife, kid, everything despite being ex FbG
    Nov 23, 2019 1
    • SEI Investments deepo
      OP
      Ya but he's a total beta btch.
      Nov 23, 2019
  • LinkedIn lIIllIIlIl
    No there will always be somebody better than you and now you have a new datapoint when you negotiate your salary or raise
    Nov 22, 2019 0
  • It’s motivating to me, not discouraging. I didn’t know I could make such high TCs until I saw posts like these on forums like blind.
    Nov 22, 2019 0
  • Tesla / Eng 🐉⛈
    Use it for motivation to do better. It just shows you haven’t yet reached your full potential.
    Nov 22, 2019 0
  • McKinsey three.14
    Offer three sticks of burning incense to THE TECHLEAD. Then you will find your way
    Nov 22, 2019 0

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