Tech IndustryNov 20, 2017
AmazonPivotal

Appealing Pivot

Has anyone here appealed Pivot successfully? Do you have tips you can share? Thanks to all for productive conversation.

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Amazon eclaire Nov 20, 2017

Do you have good data to backup your appeal? I was once in Pip due to my teamates reviews lol, right when i started here (political shit) but my manager saw the bullshit so he appealed it for me.

Amazon XSXh46 Nov 20, 2017

How can Manager be not in alignment and still you get into pivot.

Amazon cSiH15 Nov 20, 2017

🤔

Amazon GCeU06 Nov 20, 2017

Yes. Best advice is to take your time on the appeal doc. Counter each point made in manager feedback with data. Also, including additional testimonials can be helpful to support your case point- 1 or 2 should be fine if they are from close contacts and genuine. The doc is as much an opportunity to make your point as to prove that you can succeed at Amazon given the opportunity.

Amazon 2Pragmatic Nov 20, 2017

+1 Came to add to the conversation, but this covered it.

Amazon sdefb Nov 20, 2017

Actually you are not allowed use data outside of the scope of pivot doc. I.e, you can only appeal that the doc is wrong/unfair, but you can't say otherwise I am awesome

Amazon oVwD47 Nov 20, 2017

You don’t lose anything by appealing. If you are able to prove with data you don’t belong in Pivot, then it’s worth investing your time. Keep in mind that If the result of the appealing is not favorable to you, you will be able to choose to stay in Pivot or leave the company. I would say go for it :)

Amazon SoyYuma Nov 20, 2017

I believe you loose you severance if you appeal and loose.

Amazon oVwD47 Nov 20, 2017

You don’t I know that for a fact What I don’t know is if the severance package is different after the Pivot (it’s probably the same, but I can’t confirm that)

Amazon unnamed1 Nov 21, 2017

What is pivot? Is it same as pip?

Amazon eclaire Nov 21, 2017

yes

Amazon trulyblind Nov 22, 2017

I was successful in my appeal last month. The advice given to me was to take ownership and acknowledge what’s legitimate and provide as much tangible data for opposing claims and anything else that supports yours. Being vocally self critical, not throwing yourself under the bus but better than trying to deny everything and placing blame and making excuses... so if you can provide explanation and more context to the pivot doc, you’re in good shape. The appeals committee only have what’s given to them and what the other person( your manager) says. So you have pieces to the puzzle too, for them to put this together in your favor, then share what you can and be a guide rather a defendant. Help them understand the situation. I don’t recommend lying but carefully choose words that help your cause. At the end of the day if you can negate or explain the claims of the pivot doc and you know it to be true, then you should be fine.

Amazon Pivotal OP Nov 22, 2017

Thanks, did they call you back after your manager spoke?

Amazon trulyblind Nov 22, 2017

Yes- the CA debriefs with panel, immediately following, you should be contacted with decision. That was my experience anyway

Amazon Hook'Em Nov 27, 2017

I was on a panel, the call back in for the employee a second time was optional by the panel. We choose to do it to get clarification on two items. It was very brief and the CA asked the questions that we agreed on.

Amazon Pivotal OP Nov 27, 2017

Wow, did that callback change your decision, would you say? Was the appeal approved?

Amazon Hook'Em Nov 27, 2017

No the call back didn't change my opinion. The appeal went the employee's way but I voted against the employee as I didn't believe they were following the leadership principles. Like another poster also mentioned, they played the blame game instead taking an objective view of the situation. In my experience with under performance issues, there are usually things both the manager and the employee could have done better to avoid the situation. Pushing the blame completely to the other party is a sign of immaturity that demonstrates a lack of ownership and being vocally self critical.