What’s the product manager role like at Apple? All their “product manager” job listings sound like product marketing roles, not a traditional PM role at places like google/FB.
Running meetings, chasing deadlines and all that with zero technical background and innovation. PERIOD.
That’s a TPM or program manager
Apple has EPMs which are TPMs at Google. Apple PMs are PMMs. Some EPM/PM teams claim the roles are what’s considered traditional PMs but believe these are exceptions.
It all depends on your group and your experience. I do product as an epm. I do research, push features I research and justify them very much. I also have to track the milestones for my projects. Which is more project management I guess. But I am also shocked because I’m the minority here - some epm’s don’t love me because I don’t file endless radars, take notes, or schedule lots of meetings. I got great reviews in my assessment and the only criticism was they wish I did more project type work too. But I’m willing to make that trade off.
"Traditional" PM is a marketing role.
Let’s not be pedantic about the term traditional. I’m simply trying to understand how Apple PM compares to what PM typically means in modern tech companies like google and Facebook
Haven't been an Apple PM but have been through the interview process which is much more PR focused. Final round was to give presentation - conference keynote/product launch style. Lots of questions relating to "what would you say to reporters if..."