Apple vs Cruise Offer

Aug 11, 2019 27 Comments

Base / Stock (4 yrs) / Sign-On / Annual Bonus

Apple: 215k / 300k / 100k / ~10% (TC ~340k)
Cruise: 220k / 230k / 40k / 65k (TC ~350k)

Suggestions? Both ML/AI-related positions. Still negotiating, but not sure how much higher I can go (Cruise already went up by ~120k). Also, Cruise RSU not liquid...

PhD + 2 YOE

Thanks!

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TOP 27 Comments
  • Oracle / R&D TLead
    Did you ask Cruise about refreshers? Apple has good refreshers.

    Personally I would choose Apple if I want more money, and I would choose Cruise if I want to work on interesting problem statements.

    Try to find out more about refreshers, what you’ll be working on, talk to team members at both companies to get an understanding of how they are enjoying their work.

    For an instance, when I interviewed at Apple, my lunch interviewer was a bit sad that he had to work during weekends. So I didn’t find it good. Anyway, you could get insights like those by talking to team members and also from folks here on blind that work at those two companies.
    Aug 11, 2019 3
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Thanks for getting back. Cruise was very vague about refreshers ("depends on performance"), but Apple mentioned ~150k/yrs in general.

      Regarding positions, Apple was very vague, but i felt the people were more enthusiastic and really good.

      But will try to reach out to both and friends to see what their WLB is at Apple and Cruise. Thx!
      Aug 11, 2019
    • Cruise Automation dolboeb
      They’re vague bc they don’t really have em. They give you 2 year cliffed grant two years in just so that your tc doesn’t drop after 4 years but that’s about it (at least that was the case until recently)
      Aug 12, 2019
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      good to know, thank you!
      Aug 12, 2019
  • Cruise Automation
    gdgfsyeh

    Cruise Automation

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    gdgfsyehmore
    Why the hell would you turn down Apple for Cruise? Lol. Can you please refer me to Apple when you join?
    Aug 16, 2019 2
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      I did finally accept Apple's offer. Happy to refer ofc :-)
      Aug 18, 2019
    • Wave Computing ai314
      Could you please provide your thought process in accepting Apple's offer over Cruise? Also, it would be great if you could please share your experience at Apple so far?
      Nov 9, 2019
  • Microsoft
    Scion

    Microsoft

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    Scion more
    Promise of tc != tc. I’d swap cruise rsu with 0 for this exercise
    Aug 11, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      got it.... thx!
      Aug 11, 2019
  • Zoox / Eng VyGO67
    Cruise sucks.
    Aug 11, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      from your own experience, or more b/c Zoox is better? ;-)
      Aug 11, 2019
  • Apple jessie1
    215K base looks like higher end of ICT5
    Even ppl with 20 years work ex don’t have that base
    Aug 11, 2019 3
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Actually, I think I'll "only" be ICT4. But judging from your comment, I should probably be happy with that base - thanks for sharing your thoughts!
      Aug 11, 2019
    • Apple tisjfjd
      My colleague just joined as an ict4 and he was offered 215 base..nothing special and nowhere close to an ic5s base..
      Aug 14, 2019
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Ah, if i had known it ystday... just accepted the offer, but still i'm pretty happy overall :)
      Aug 16, 2019
  • Adobe / R&D Spidey™🕸️
    Didn't expect Apple's offer to be this competitive to Cruise.
    Aug 11, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      I guess Cruise's offer probably incentivized Apple to move up a bit :-)
      Aug 11, 2019
  • Get extensions on the offers and interview at Lyft 😊 Much better growth and likely higher TC
    Aug 11, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Hmm, that'd be an option... How much higher TC can be expected?
      Aug 11, 2019
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    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      4yrs PhD + 2.5yrs research (academia + industry) - yes, ICT4 I think
      Aug 11, 2019
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Thanks a lot :-)! Yes, my PhD was in ML/AI - I'm kinda glad I chose it now... I'm leaning towards Apple as well - the team there seems fantastic :-)

      Now, without sounding too greedy, do you think there is more room for negotiation, or should I just leave it be? I don't really want to alienate my future manager ...
      Aug 11, 2019
    • Dropbox tKDR12
      Depends on where you are in the negotitation. If they didn't say that was their final offer, then you should ask them to up stock again. I doubt your future manager even knows about comp negotiation, only the final result
      Aug 11, 2019
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Didn't explicitly say it's their final offer, but they have already bumped up base and sign-on and stock. Stock seems difficult as they had to run it by their VP/director/... (took them a few days...). But I'll keep trying :-)!
      Aug 11, 2019
  • Which position at Cruise & Apple? Can you share your experience interviewing at both companies for ML/CV? It would help me a lot as I am interviewing for similar roles with similar bg.
    Aug 12, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      Actually, very good at both places, consisting of both DK and programming exercises, and rather standard also compared to other companies. Best of luck! :-)
      Aug 12, 2019
  • Apple Justdance
    which team in Apple?
    Aug 11, 2019 1
    • Applied Material / R&D DNN.ai
      OP
      SPG... but don't really know the product or more details... :-/

      How's your experience at Apple?
      Aug 11, 2019

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