Low standards for Express Entry to Canada

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Sep 17, 2020 72 Comments

Canada has really low standards for immigrants.

https://www.cicnews.com/2018/01/no-job-offer-no-problem-new-express-entry-report-confirms-0110038.html

90% of immigrants to Canada do not have jobs when immigrants. Currently Canada is serving as a backup to those who weren't able to meet the bar to immigrate to the US. This is disgraceful and hurts our country. Although an immigrant is vetted for formal showings of merit they aren't vetted to confirm that their skills are needed by any employer in Canada. As a result Canada is constantly flooded with immigrants who often end up lowering the bar for labour in the country. Often they aren't even working jobs in-line with the skillset they used to qualify for express entry. You have doctors driving taxi cabs and delivering pizzas because they can't get jobs as doctors. Even if an immigrant gets a job after entering the country there is no guarantee the following is true:

1) there is no guarantee a Canadian wasn't qualified to do that job
2) there is no guarantee this job is a bar raising job for Canadian wages
3) there is no guarantee this job is in the skillset the immigrant was admitted for

What the data says:

The average recent immigrant in Canada imposes a fiscal burden of $5,300 annually
https://financialpost.com/opinion/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-benefits-and-heavy-costs-of-immigration-to-canada

Only 63.5% of new immigrants to Canada are employed in 5 years..
Data source: Labour market outcomes of immigrants aged 25 to 54, by period of landing, Canada — 2010-2011

There is no reason that shouldn't be 100% and the country has full power to make it so. Canada needs to raise the bar on immigrants and demand an LMIA for any Express Entry application to be approved. This guarantees that an employer has an immediate need for the immigrant and they are raising the bar for labour in the country as no Canadian is available to do the job. Awarding CRS points for a job is not enough it must be a minimum bar. Discuss why this is good or bad for Canada.

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  • Workday
    rockbay

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    rockbay
    Old 2018 article, scenario has drastically changed today in 2020, the cut off scores are really high now and hence the bar for entry is quite high. Also, if I am not wrong, the merit based system was only introduced or changed to properly reflect merit in 2016 or 2017. Before that it wasn’t the case. So quoting labor market outcomes from 2010/11 is useless. Need to get the current data from last year or better yet wait until a couple of years to see the data from 2020 and later.
    Sep 17, 2020 18
  • Do you even know that the rights of Canadian PRs are?

    Unlike in the US, when you say "immigrant" in Canada you're referring to someone who already obtained permanent residency because the Canadian system is easier.

    Last time I checked, a PR holder has the right to live and work anywhere in Canada. Only a few types of government jobs require citizenship.

    Since Canadian PR holders are not enslaved to a visa the way H1Bs are in the USA, how would they lower wages for "real" Canadians? After all, if one employer doesn't pay enough, they can jump ship for another since they won't be deported just for losing employment. They can even become citizens in just 3 years and then move to yet another country without jeopardizing status (a lot of tech people do this, hopping to the US when they are eligible for TN visas).
    Sep 18, 2020 14
    • Amazon / Eng
      ddttddttdd

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      ddttddttdd
      America ensures this? 75% of American immigration is family based. Leave alone a job, one doesn't even need to be educated to immigrate as a family member to the US.
      Sep 19, 2020
    • Amazon
      lyIw84

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      lyIw84
      OP
      Canada also has family immigration. We are talking about high skill immigration in this post. Touching family immigration is not possible as people want to be with their families. I'm not interested in discussing it as it will always be a thing in both countries.
      Sep 19, 2020
  • Amazon
    @shvth@m@

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    @shvth@m@
    Dude.. you dont have to go there.. Which country meets your standards?
    Sep 17, 2020 22
    • Workday
      rockbay

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      rockbay
      Your wish to raise the bar is OK, but did you even read my reply on how Canada is more desirable than US at an older age and not everyone is a “deadbeat” who wants to come back to US. People actually want to stay in Canada. Heck, you are in US right now and plan to come back to Canada.

      Canada is not a back door. Not sure why you feel so poorly about your own country.
      Sep 19, 2020
    • Amazon
      lyIw84

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      lyIw84
      OP
      Yeah I saw you claim not to be a deadbeat. Good for you. Hopefully you get a bar raising job in Canada. What I want is a system that ensures everyone is like you. People who come in and immediately hold bar raising jobs for the Canadian Labour market in the skillset they are admitted for. Not come in jobless and drive uber.

      The current system benefits abusers and makes Canada a backdoor or backup outpost for America. Neither of which is good for Canada.

      In no universe is it too much to ask HIGH SKILLED ECONOMIC MIGRANTS to get a fucking job before coming.
      Sep 19, 2020
  • Nokia / Finance
    kotei

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    kotei
    Dude....that's 2018 article...data mentioned in that article was around 2016-17. What's the point of discussing old irrelevant data?.. lot of things have changed since then.
    Sep 17, 2020 1
    • Amazon
      lyIw84

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      lyIw84
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      Nothing has changed because LMIA is still not required. It should be required for an Express Entry applicant to show the following:

      1) there is no guarantee a Canadian wasn't qualified to do that job
      2) there is no guarantee this job is a bar raising job for Canadian wages
      3) there is no guarantee this job is in the skillset the immigrant was admitted for
      Sep 17, 2020
  • Capital One
    Trudeau🚂

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    This app is full of idiots.
    Trudeau🚂
    The US has a lower bar than Canada’s Express Entry. Just look at the qualifications for EB-3.

    Even the RAISE Act isn’t as strict as Express Entry.
    Sep 18, 2020 3
    • Capital One
      Trudeau🚂

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      This app is full of idiots.
      Trudeau🚂
      You listed the only two qualifications. You can have no degree, be unskilled, no hablo ingles etc. Basically everything you are complaining about.

      Canada requires candidates be qualified in a certain NOC, speak English or French, pass a medical, show proof of funds to enter, get qualifications verified.

      If Canada raises the bar the would be immigrants will just go to Europe, Australia, the US or New Zealand. We are competing for immigrants.
      Sep 19, 2020
    • Amazon
      lyIw84

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      lyIw84
      OP
      There is nothing wrong with low quality immigrants who can't get jobs in Canada going to Europe. Very good thing actually. Canada should only want the best.
      Sep 19, 2020