Hey, I just got an offer from Blizzard for a "Product Design Lead" position and wanted to see if I am being lowballed... I know they are not a top paying place but still. $170K base 23% bonus = $39,100 2w PTO $3K relo - I am in SF currently $0 sign-on I am currently at: a Game Startup in SF $230K base 5w PTO 16 YOE Let me know what y'all think and if you have any counter offer suggestions. #blizzard
You make 230k at a gaming startup? Wtf Also why are you leaving it? Also what is a “product design lead” here?
Thanks No future comparing to BLZ Makes your game websites more modern and friendly So what do you think of the offer? Think IC5 level
16 YOE @ 230 in Cali isn't exactly "winning." Also, sounds like Second Dinner. 💀 Go into tech. Game industry is dog shit for TC and no one values you. You deserve better.
We don't have levels like "IC5" that I'm aware of. Do you know if you're Senior 1 or Senior 2? I'm Senior 1 but eng track and I make a bit less than that, and I've been informed I'm in the top 10 percentile for my title. It also sounds like you'd be working for application group in B&OP? To be honest the org is not well organized to say the least. - The people here are great, genuine people - WLB in B&OP is great (I rarely leave later than 5-530) - Not sure you can do anything about the PTO. That's just the number in the handbook. By year 2 you get 3 weeks. We do get 9-10 days off in December, that doesn't hit your PTO. Who knows how long Bobby will let us keep doing that for though. I wouldn't come just for Blizzard. Its hiring/offer practices have long been predatory because of that mentality. In recent years the prestige and luster have definitely worn off; public opinion is at an all-time low. You'll probably always be thinking about the TC drop (though COL is a bit lower), speaking from personal experience :( Good luck with your decision!
@Jubile thanks for this...means a lot. This is for an "unannounced project". In nature, it's closer to marketing. Either Santa Monica or Carlsbad. Saying too much already. I am gonna ask them to match my base and that's it... Are you a designer? B&OP (and what is that)?
Is that Blizzard Entertainment or Activision Blizzard?
Cost of living is slightly less in Irvine.
There’s money on the table with the relo. Always negotiate on that. Can go to 7k easily or ask for X months of corporate housing.
For that gig in Irvine with that company that’s a good package. The relocation seems a bit low, but other than that, they did well by you.
Seems decent! Negotiate away
You could probably negotiate a sign on bonus. I’m 4 YOE and got a 10k bonus
Top of band for that role is 19x,000. I cant remember the x, sorry. Bottom of band is around 135,000. They are placing you mid-high in the band which tells me they want to make a good offer but leave you headroom for future growth. There is no stock until you are Director or above and then it starts at about 80k RSU per year. Cost of living is less in Irvine and you certainly get more sqft per dollar. Blizzard has a lot of stability and security plus it has a lot of weight for when/if you want to apply somewhere else so those things have value but it's up to you and your circumstances how much value they have. Good luck with your decision and let us know! :)
From what I have heard, that band is pretty comparable to senior designers at Riot. Not sure if that means we downlevel or blizzard isnt 1:1 title-wise with us, but I’d imagine with your YoE you can get director plus titles at most places, that come with sweet rsu. I’m wondering if you can push to level up, as I’d imagine you’ll hit the cap in no time, and it could be luck based as to whether or not you can promo out
Wow with that salary you would be like top 1% at Blizzard. I didn't know they paid that much outside of directors and higher.
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COL is significantly lower at Irvine, so it seems reasonable. Please make Diablo 4 good
My 100days goal :)
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