I am tired of nonsense politics in company and office, I am Director level person. Is it career suicide If I move to an IC role? No troll please
It depends if people respect your tech skills or not. If not then it’s career suicide and you’ll eventually get piped
Well, I know folks who were exactly in your role and moved to Sr. Engg. Manager role in Google & FB. They basically started new business critical teams there. Tech heavy roles like principle or distinguished engg are not pure IC. In top you have to make right allies and play fair politics. Some place it is decent, some place it's guesome.
A director at OCI is not an L7 at G or F. Not close
The role you want does not exist at the level you’re at. If you want to dev with a political shield, you need to be fairly low level. You should know this.
I hate the term “career suicide”, it has a finality to it that doesn’t make sense in most situations. It’s one taken from politics that doesn’t make sense when applied to regular jobs. Anyway, no, this wouldn’t be career suicide. But I would expect a serious down leveling or pay cut to move into an IC role without politics.
Are you still hands on technical to some extent? It can definitely be done (I've don't it myself). Whether you downlevel or not depends on your technical level. Politics don't go away though. If you're a senior IC you get exposed to them too.
I have seen 3-4 ppl try it at 2S, only one that I would call really successful and that was after a few years of treading water. Here’s what the successful person did that I think made them happy and effective: 1. Find a great EM to own the politics and people issues 2. Find a strategic new project that is technically hard and high upside if successful to justify having someone super senior own the technical side 3. Have the tech team be more senior ICs who just want to get work done and won’t create politics or people issues
Usually I have seen that the folks with an incredible appetite for politics have least appetite for technically hard problems If you are technically deep, change the battlefield and get an upper hand
Director at OCI is not that senior of a role. You could come to G or F as a staff engineer at the same comp. Probably be seen positively.
Not a bad move, but you really need to be able to shine as an IC. I have seen some awesome technical advisors to VPs and SVPs. What I saw in all of them is being able to quickly understand any subject matter and turn into problem solving in complex corporate evironments (including politics). The difference is what you said, you're kind of out of the politics problems, but you still need to form your alliances. Just be careful, because I have seen many ICs that aren't very helpful and all they do is to throw people under the bus by just saying common sense logic. Make sure you have some depth
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Brian Acton tried going back to dev at Facebook after being a Director at Yahoo. He got rejected and founded WhatsApp...
And WhatsApp is something super useful and/or novel? He made a chat app which just got widespread acceptance in Asia. Tech wise nothing novel and/or revolutionary. FB just bought it for the user base not the tech.
@ppMg64... so?