Does anyone feel working in the US isn't worth it anymore?

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goodboi

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goodboimore
May 23, 2018 89 Comments

I just feel that the only reason people come here is because of the hog paying jobs. But everything else is ridiculous. I'm not comfortable of the thought of sending my future kids to school here. School shootings aren't a shocker anymore, gun violence in general is ridiculous here. Healthcare is a joke. Can't even say politically we're safe because our ridiculous politicians are making us both a target and a laughing stock. I grew up here, I'm a citizen, I used to love this country, but living 10 years abroad and viewing it from the outside, and then coming back and viewing everything from the inside, I can't help but ask what the fuck went wrong here. The bigger question I ask myself, do I want to bring my fiance here, raise my future kids here, when I feel threatened more than I feel safe. Is it worth it? Are these high paying salaries worth it? I dont know anymore. I don't know if other feel the same way, but I'm sick and tired of this country.

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  • Microsoft Chris i
    Are you fucking kidding me?

    1. School shootings? So do you prefer a 0.00001% probability of a school shooting or

    If you’re in France/Spain/Italy - a 20% chance of being pick pocketed

    China / India - 100% chance to have symptoms due to air polllutiln.

    Scandinavia - 100% chance of 50% or greater taxation

    Singapore / HK - 100% chance you’ll never be able to afford to buy a decent house

    Look, I’ve lived in 4 continents. I know what’s out there.

    Europe - shitty economy. Terrible taxes. Healthcare takes forever.
    Asia - developing, a lot of opportunity but outside of Sg and hk, don’t really need White ppl anymore as much and you’ll never be doing core strategic work unless you join a local company and then it’s shitty culture. China India really bad air.

    Africa - not a great place to live and work. The nice places because there are so few are ridiculously expensive

    Australia - high expense for what you pay for and high tax. Few high paying jobs. Pretty good lifestyle. Probably the best alternative to the us.

    South America - still developing. Way more dangerous than the us.

    The us is really the best place in the world to live if what you want is:

    1. High paying job
    2. Comfortable and big home
    3. Convenient amenities
    4. World class schools both public and private.

    When i say public schools - i don’t mean average. I mean our top public schools are the best in the world. In the Bay Area - lynbrook, monta vista, mission San Jose.

    In Bellevue - Newport high.

    Universities are the best in the world. Public universities are affordable and the best in the world.

    We have all sorts of food that you want.

    Relatively low tax compared to other developed countries.

    Tell me specifically which country you think is better to live in than the us? And let’s be specific about the us? Silicon Valley? LA? Seattle?

    I’ve been wherever you’ve talked about. I know. Us is the best in the world as a whole.

    If you have specific circumstances - then things can be different. Eg. You’re young and Asian

    Maybe you go to Asia for that

    Maybe you like really convenient and cheap travel - maybe uoj go to Asia or Europe

    Those are niches. If we’re speaking in generalities then us is the best.
    May 23, 2018 38
    • Microsoft Qpoxiebb
      Well why not say why instead of just saying, “you don’t know shit”. Without analysis it’s like me saying you have a micro penis. Full stop. Doesn’t mean anything.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      Qpoxiebb say whatever ya like dipshit still got ur mama pregnant
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Microsoft Lotl
    Be the change you want to see, or
    leave. It’s simple really.
    May 23, 2018 11
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      I understand your idea perfectly, at least as well as you do. I am saying the idea is stupid. Not out of ignorance, but out of understanding. Get it now?
      May 23, 2018
    • Oracle Linked In
      Lotl, stupid response.
      May 23, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng
    dumb|dumb

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    Fuck you, but wats up bro.
    dumb|dumbmore
    Soon you will discover the rest of the world is just in the same diship condition, no less. If you think EU countries are great, go ahead :) having known a few Europeans (a Germany, an Irish, and a Swiss), they left for economic reason (of course). But they were much happier here than back home because of the ideal politics there. Nothing gets done well, and even the “liberal” legislations are jokes to them.

    I also grew up in the States as an immigrant. The best part of American is the spirit of taking vacation. There is a mutual respect among employers that employees deserve vacation, other than legally employers must provide vacation. Going abroad, esp in Asia, work hours are terrible and foreigners are treated like museum displays, some curious creatures, which can be very uncomfortable.
    May 23, 2018 7
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

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      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Asia? Not india though.
      May 23, 2018
    • Amazon shammer
      Then you don't really have a world perspective on quality of life, since you never lived in Europe: 7 out of top 10 countries for quality of life are in Europe, none are in Asia (the other 3 are Australia, New Zeland and Canada).
      May 23, 2018
  • eBay sudo
    Unfortunately, US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to improve your life among 1st world countries. Try to go to European countries, definitely harder to come and become permanent resident
    May 23, 2018 4
    • Yahoo / Eng DhobiKaDog
      US is the hardest county to immigrate to (at least for indians)
      I like Germany better
      May 23, 2018
    • LinkedIn BlahAndBla
      US is the best country to immigrate illegally. We need the WALL.. #MAGA
      May 23, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt masterkane
    Every country has its pros and cons. If you earn well, the US has some of the best schools and universities in the world to get your kids educated at. Europe has a more balanced way of life but more economic problems and less opportunity for youth. Its not black or white. Also, depends where in the country, what state, which neighborhood, which school etc.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Intel / Other
      goldieLock

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      lol at "the best schools and universities". The US has 5 good schools at most.
      May 23, 2018
    • Barracuda / Sales
      YourMama

      Barracuda Sales

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      YourMamamore
      The US has more top 25 universities than every other country combined but good try goldieLock. As ranked by a UK magazine, btw.
      May 23, 2018
  • Oracle orc
    I have contemplated that and decided for now those salaries are worth the risk, then when it is school time find an alternative. It is not the obsession with Guns that worries me, it is the lack of collective social responsibility (to not sell to people with mental illness, not locking it up safely, etc.) that baffles me! If people want to use the guns then need to be collectively responsible for safety of others... but I digress.
    May 23, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Eng zGcY85
    Retire in Europe? Have you even explored half the states in the US? We’re literally damn near the size of the entire EU. Missoula, Montana is drastically different from San Francisco. Boise, Des Moines, Dallas, New Orleans, are all drastically different from each other. Let alone smaller cities and towns all over everywhere else. OP sounds like a typical liberal democrat from San Francisco who’s stuck in an echo chamber of “rah rah Europe, the United States sucks!” Get out and explore the rest of the country.

    Oh, and my family are all immigrants too I’m the first generation born here in the US. I’ve visited and lived in a variety of other countries and several other states. California has an extremely biased, skewed, and somewhat inaccurate perception of the US. Same with NYC and other Democrat strongholds. And don’t take this as me bashing on the Left - I was a registered Dem my whole life up until the last couple years. They’ve gone off the rails just as much as the Right but without realizing it.

    The Left’s perception of how much danger we’re in from guns is just as ridiculous as the Right’s perception of how much danger we’re in from illegal immigrants.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Cisco / Eng zGcY85
      So who said you have to stay in tech? And even if you do there are still options you just have to be a bit more creative. Think about it like this - you can be a little fish in a big pond by sticking to the big city tech hubs, or you can be a big fish in a small pond going outside those areas to explore opportunities where a small business is desperate for an engineer but everyone is too haughty and caught up with FAANG allure to both looking up the business’s city on a map.

      Hell, go start your own company and train people to code. Or try a different career - tons of people retire and switch to something completely different from whatever they did professionally and find a lot of joy and satisfaction in the switch.

      As for healthcare, yeah we’ve got a lot of issues, but again, so do plenty of other places. The immediate felt cost for care may seem cheaper until you consider your taxes going into it. Or the immediate cost is cheaper, but the wait times are drastically longer and the quality of care sometimes less. It varies by location just like it does here.

      Think about this : people like OP love to simultaneously bash the US for having problems, and then tout how wonderful it is for immigrants to come here and whatnot. They never question why so many people want to come here from other countries. There’s a reason people flock to the US and not other places - the positives outweigh the negatives. But by all means, nobody’s forcing anyone to stay. We’d just appreciate it if you STFU on the way out.
      May 23, 2018
    • Apple tuolumne
      Doesn’t matter where you live in the US. Healthcare costs in retirement will take all of your money unless you have brilliant accountants and attorney to hide your money so you can latch onto Medicaid. It’s a simple mathematical certainty of people living longer lives and healthcare costs being astronomical in the states.
      May 23, 2018
  • Sapient Razorfish
    A554NG3

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    - Government spending is out of control.
    - Wasteful spending of tax dollars.
    - Too many special interest programs making politicians rich
    - People are getting hired/promoted based on superficial attributes
    - Horrible retirement
    - Vitriolic biased growing on right and left
    May 23, 2018 2
    • New baQn60
      How is this different in other countries? Fact of life...
      May 23, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
      A554NG3

      Sapient Razorfish

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      A554NG3more
      You’re right. We’re witnessing the fall of an empire.
      May 23, 2018
  • AT&T / Eng
    DDM2K

    AT&T Eng

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    DDM2Kmore
    Familiarity with your home country contributes to your feeling safer there, I’m sure.
    May 23, 2018 2
  • New baQn60
    I don’t want to be paid in hog
    May 23, 2018 0

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