ICE cars in an EV and AV future

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Dec 1, 2019 49 Comments

Acronyms
ICE: Internal combustion engine
EV: Electric vehicle
AV: Autonomous vehicle

Given that majority of people detest driving in the contexts of traffic, expensive payments/maintenance and environmental effects, does anyone think that ICE cars could be sought after in a future where most everyone has transitioned into economy class EVs and major traffic issues are alleviated? It's pretty clear to me that for comfortable/utility type transportation EVs are definitely a great solution once infrastructure is in place.

Additionally, the whole push for AV development is an underlying theme in the "I hate driving" sentiment.

I know that these transitions will likely take decade(s) but does anyone feel like this is similar to the transition of film to digital photography and the progression from records -> cassette -> cd-> mp3/iPod? There are people today who go out of their way to appreciate these older mediums which I can somewhat appreciate as well.

In a similar level, I love the character and the imperfections of the vibrations and rawness of my ICE sports car when I'm cruising on Skyline and the great roads outside of the urban Bay area. The howl of an inline-6 is something that an EV could never do despite being strictly better in all major engineering specifications.

I've driven today's EVs and think they will be the future but they seem very sterile and filtered like photoshop and mp3s compared to film and records.

Will there be a place for any ICE cars in the future or will it strictly be EVs?

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  • You can drive a single car tens of thousands of miles for every jet takeoff or mile of diesel electric train.

    EVs pollute more than ICE vehicles in many states, because you’re charging them with coal fired generating plants. Your efficiency is a fiction. Yes it will get better over time, as did ICE.
    Dec 1, 2019 9
  • Personally I can’t give up ICE, though I’m sure this sentiment is only true for people who are car enthusiasts. For people driving Civics and Corollas, the only barrier to an EV future is price.

    To me, EV can’t compete with gasoline range. The ability to quickly fill up is not something people may want to give up. I personally don’t see the appeal of a car with a range of about 300mi before charging. And furthermore I only say this because I frequently travel between NJ, NYC, and Boston. I also take road trips and even a trip to Canada would be a pain in an EV.
    Jul 7, 2021 8
    • Jul 8, 2021
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      Capital one is talking out of his ass, most manual transmissions today are slower than automatics.
      Another thing that hasn’t been mentioned is engine noise. Some people also may not want to hear tire noise every time they drive, the engine sound is another big factor. Without that sound it feels like a fast golf cart.
      Jul 8, 2021
  • Half of the US is living paycheck to paycheck. Do you think they're about to move to EVs overnight? There are a lot of ICE cars from the 90s and later still on the road. It'll be a very slow transition at the national level. And forget about second and third world countries. Mostly ICE in our lifetime.
    Jul 7, 2021 1
    • Agreed. Even if we wanted to transition quicker, we just don't have the infrastructure set up to do so. It'll be decades still just to transition residential vehicles. Longer distance transport is still trying to be figured out (hydrogen is still questionable)
      Jul 8, 2021
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    Your criteria are awfully biased. First, "normal" Americans love driving. Second, EVs are great in every aspect except one - providing reliable multipurpose transportation. Not everyone is woke enough to plan their vacation around charging availability in Bumpfuck, Indiana.
    Jul 7, 2021 0
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    It is still "economical" to drive a Prius that gives 50mpg compared to a Tesla / equivalent EV today. The future is EV as the economics and technology is getting better every year but it is not quite there yet. There is and will be a place for ICE vehicles until the economics make it impossible ( more gas taxes, new emission norms)

    The AV product already exists today, it's called an uber with a driver. It performs better in all aspects of a service, it will get you to the location faster and will drop you exactly where you want to be dropped. The question you need to ask is, will you sell your car and use an Uber for everything ?
    Jul 7, 2021 1
    • Tesla vs Prius depends on how clean your electricity is. If you mostly get power from coal the Prius will be cleaner if you get it from solar the Tesla will be cheaper. With that said it’s not really a fair comparison given the tesla comfort and speed put it in the BMW class of cars which have way higher carbon footprints
      Jul 7, 2021