Significant chunk of my team members are permanently leaving Seattle and still collecting Seattle pay checks. My boss working from Hawaii and org VP embraced WFH saying 'at best' we will be a hybrid org. Other team members permanently moved to cheaper states. Over 90% of amazon employees want WFH in some form according to surveys. WFH is the future and it is here to stay. I ain't ever going back to the office and they can't make me. I bet in the future there will be a salary normalization cross USA and Canada and this will be a very good thing for all devs!
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My org was hybrid before COVID (2-4 days in office), and I can definitely say that it works better than full remote.
Couple of things will happen to support full remote:
1. Those who choose fully remote should expect a TC drop to adjust to low COL.
2. People are social beings, so it remains to see how water cooler conversations/ promotions will happen in distributed organizations.
Salaries in the bay area aren't high directly because of COL. They are high because of supply and demand. There is NO supply of quality devs living in that area willing to work for 100k, because that won't pay the rent required to be in an office. The price goes up until there is a meeting of the minds. Take that dev's housing requirement out of HIS equation and he'll likely choose to be more competitive with what he seeks.
Not being snarky here, but I think it would help people to get a better understanding of how free markets work, specifically the labor market.
Bay area excluded, there is lots to love in those high cost cities.
From food options, entertainment options to nature in the PNW.
People won't leave it for ducking Tennessee.
Politics matters too. Most techies are secular you think they will go to a little town in Oklahoma with a Sunday church, you are naive.
This will become the new normal and will help Microsoft dramatically. Counter to most Seattleites’ opinions, most people in the US don’t want to actually live in the PNW. It’s so bad for HR recruiters that there’s actually a playbook they created to try to talk people in to moving up there.
If MS allows for remote work it’ll absolutely help them get employees that they’d never otherwise have a shot at.
It is hilarious to see people in Seattle and on the East side making eye contact with other human beings, smiling, saying hello to strangers, etc when the sun comes out on July 15th for 5 or 6 weeks. Then people go back to being gloomy - so depressing.
That feeling you Seattlites get when the sun is out and your skin feels good as it soaks in the rays - making you smile and feel energized and happy? That is how people feel in most other states the majority of the year. It is not about temperature, it is about sun light. The Midwest can be -15 out and bright and sunny. PNW destroys most humans.