Evaluate Zoox vs Waymo offer

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Sep 17, 2019 30 Comments

UPDATED Waymo comp:
Need feedback on whether to stay where I am vs. jumping to Zoox or Waymo.
Currently discussing offers - verbal with recruiter at this point, don't want to start official offer process until I decide to actually pursue.
Zoox: TC=325k : L5 / 205k base / 35k signon / 446k RSU (not liquid) / actual role very interesting / 0% 401k Match / decent benefits
Waymo: TC=327k : L6 (Staff) / 210k base / 20% bonus / $0 signon / 300k RSU (not liquid) / actual role less interesting / max $9,125k 401k match / Google benefits
YOE: 17, in hardware/systems design, always individual contributor (not mgr).
Both Zoox and Waymo will have upside and possible (not guaranteed) RSU refreshes.

Current TC: 478k total ($376k/year guaranteed cash + 400k bonus with 50% chance of getting it within next 4 years):
Pay described is for next ~ 3.5 yrs (221k base + 10% bonus + guaranteed monthly retention cash payments + 10k 401k match) + 400k unvested cash payments over next 4 yrs based on team performance against very tight deadlines and difficult objectives (I look at it as 50% chance i'll get it). Current role medium interesting but not as exciting as I was hoping for.
After next ~ 4 years - no visibility of future career growth. My company is in top 100 (but non-Apple), not a startup and can't offer RSU refresh. Possible LTI of maybe 20% but not guaranteed. Future career prospects with this company after 4 years unclear.

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  • Amazon qw6fe$
    So you want to switch from current $476K TC to $325K or $285K?
    Why?
    Sep 17, 2019 1
    • Facebook Hodinkee
      Lol, exactly
      Sep 17, 2019
  • Airbnb / Eng ckck
    Go to zoox
    Sep 19, 2019 10
    • BYTON / Eng
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    • Zoox HQhf30
      Lol
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  • Uber gezibu
    Holly molly. Good job.
    Sep 17, 2019 0
  • Adobe / R&D
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    Neither. If you are into Cars go to Apple SPG
    Sep 17, 2019 2
    • Apple
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      I'd definitely consider Apple SPG but no one is calling me :) lol. I left Apple (non-SPG) a year ago for a cooler more complex project and a much higher pay :) Apple benefits are really good.
      Sep 17, 2019
    • Tesla / R&D ujOi24
      @adobe: what is so cool about Apple SPG over zoox and waymo?
      Nov 24, 2019
  • Verb Surgical / Product hoopdee
    Go for waymo...it has best shot...zoox management is not good...
    Sep 17, 2019 1
    • Juniper UsA51
      Care to elaborate? Recruiter contacted me what to know how is current situation?
      Sep 18, 2019
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    @zoox @waymo
    Sep 25, 2019 0
  • Samsung / Product MtuC05
    Did you negotiate? Why would you take pay cut? Also remember both are paper money and Zoox might never see day light anytime soon.
    Sep 17, 2019 0
  • Facebook Hodinkee
    L5 is not staff at google
    Sep 17, 2019 2
    • Apple
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      you're right, Waymo is L6 (staff), I made a mistake when writing the post
      Sep 17, 2019
    • Facebook Hodinkee
      I do not see a good reason to make a switch
      Sep 17, 2019
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    How do I “tag”?
    Sep 25, 2019 1
    • Adobe / R&D
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      Edit and then press @
      Sep 25, 2019
  • Apple gghhr
    Not sure why you would take a 100k paycut. Also 300K RSU for L6 is really really low.
    Sep 22, 2019 1
    • Aptiv Younever
      Do you mean L6 at Google or L6 at Waymo? Could you also give some numbers?
      Oct 3, 2019

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