I’m joining Facebook as an E5. I’m very interested in getting promoted to E6. I have worked long enough to know that you should be thinking about promotion from day 1 if that’s something you’re interested in.
What advice would you give me? What is the promotion criteria, and how much scope is required?
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you’re coming from a different (and way shittier) place; meet your L competency the first year, then worry about L+1.
I don’t think this mindset works well for 5 -> 6.
@OP, just ignore. There are a lot of mediocre and junior E5s struggling to keep up and trying to put others down. You have the right attitude wrt to promotions. There’s nothing wrong in talking to your manager and establishing criteria about what is top-tier at your current level and how to get to the next. Anybody can ask how to get to the next level but the question is who will actually put in the effort and deliver.
And I’m also aware of people who got hired as E5 without leading projects of a big enough scope in their previous work. No hiring process is perfect, but Amazon seems to be more risk-averse when hiring than Facebook. It works because Facebook is more aggressive at firing. So, I get the confusion on my question from the Facebook folks here who saw some recent E5s struggling to meet expectations.
More serious answer: you would need to create your own project, implement it, delivery it, and make impacts. Mangers won't give you an idea. It's your job. So it will take some time unless you have a very clear idea in your future team. A rare case would be: you're already a domain specialist. But your future team/org doesn't have it. Then you can find a bit easier way toward E6.
I’m quite interested to know the expectations for E6. I’m not sure if E6 == Principal in Amazon, there is probably some overlap. I come from an org in Amazon where the principal bar (in my opinion) is ridiculously high. As a breadth principal, you’d need to be reporting to a VP or a director on a promotion path to VP, and helping probably an org of at least 100+ engineers. I don’t think that should be the bar for a principal engineer, but that’s how it was in my org.