Folks who joined Apple as new grad PhDs

Feb 14, 2019 159 Comments

What was your initial TC in [base/4-yr RSU/perf bonus] format?

My initial TC: ~200k [155k/105k/13%]

Edit: Thanks for the wonderful insights, blind. Y’all will get me fired one day.

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  • Oracle blahbl
    Only 155k for a phd?
    Feb 14, 2019 14
    • Pure Storage cosmoKramr
      $150 for a PhD. Dude you should shop around. What’s the upside?
      Feb 19, 2019
    • Google / R&D
      seller

      Google R&D

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      Google, Amazon
      sellermore
      Amazon will beat FNG for top candidates but their avg is lower
      Feb 20, 2019
  • Amazon newton12
    Wow this is really low. I made this much with my first job and only an undergrad. What gives?
    Feb 18, 2019 4
    • Two Sigma mQzQ05
      180? Did you have competing offers?
      Feb 18, 2019
    • Intel UGeJ58
      I made 180k base as a prostitute. Full benefits too
      Feb 23, 2019
  • Google / R&D
    seller

    Google R&D

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    Google, Amazon
    sellermore
    These numbers are super low... undergrads are getting 220K TC at G and FB and I've heard of 300K PhD offers at both
    Feb 18, 2019 13
    • Apple industry
      OP
      New grad PhD? Also, how long was this ago and what role? I heard Facebook pays new grad PhDs the highest median salary after Netflix.
      Feb 20, 2019
    • Facebook onika
      Undergrad
      Feb 20, 2019
  • Microsoft Girlfriend
    Oof, I was a phd intern @ $108 base pay
    Feb 14, 2019 24
    • Oracle blahbl
      Wow very interesting idea. Didn’t know that. Do you know anything similar in bay area?
      Feb 14, 2019
    • Oracle blahbl
      @microsoft - how did you get a contract job for internship?
      Feb 20, 2019
  • Google / Product
    Urs

    Google Product

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    Microsoft, 500 Startups
    Ursmore
    Dude this is low. Masters are getting more. Go back and renegotiate
    Feb 18, 2019 3
    • Google / Product
      Urs

      Google Product

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      Microsoft, 500 Startups
      Ursmore
      Everything is possible before you join. If you have a manager tell them that you talked to your friends and found that your compensation is very low.

      Strategy #2: go get a competing FANG offer and use that to beat them over the head with.
      Feb 18, 2019
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

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      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      This guy is trolling
      Feb 18, 2019
  • Microsoft / Eng Doink
    I started at msft 4 years ago post PhD with a TC of $152k without any competing offers.
    Feb 18, 2019 0
  • Apple industry
    OP
    45k in private sector? What’s your role?
    Feb 18, 2019 5
    • Apple industry
      OP
      Not being facetious at all. Takes motivation to finish phd while working overnight..
      Feb 18, 2019
    • Happy to hear that! I was 40 when I finished, so not really marketable anymore. My publications will still be read long after I'm gone, though!
      Feb 18, 2019
  • Intuit b7x1s
    The reality is, in most software roles, time spent getting industry experience is more valuable than time in academia, for anything past a bachelor’s.
    Feb 18, 2019 3
    • LinkedIn cool_putra
      Hyper ignorant comment... u must some java developer. Stay ignorant, stay happy!
      Feb 19, 2019
    • This is my experience with new PhD grads. Takes them a couple of years of being humiliated by guys with practical experience to deflate their huge egos, but they get there eventually.
      Feb 19, 2019
  • New plasma
    Masters with 3 yoe. Apple ML, got 300k TC. You got a very low-ball offer imo.
    Feb 18, 2019 1
    • for which ICT level was this?
      Dec 12, 2019
  • New / Eng
    beluga

    New Eng

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    LinkedIn
    belugamore
    Dude. That's hella low for PhD. Masters total comp at LinkedIn is 200k. You got a whole extra 4-6 years of research experience from PhD (plus you're doing a hybrid role, which usually pays more). The base is alright but the stock is definitely lacking
    Feb 18, 2019 7
    • New / Eng
      beluga

      New Eng

      PRE
      LinkedIn
      belugamore
      Regardless, you should always negotiate whenever you get an offer. That's just rule #1,2, and 3.
      The worst they could do is say no. But given that they gave u a fairly high offer for the position you're at in apple, it's safe to assume they value you and your talents more than a typical hire. You should be able to get more stock fairly easily
      Feb 18, 2019
    • Apple industry
      OP
      Yep agreed, averages on levels.fyi are distorted. The raw data on levels.fyi for new grads at ICT3 suggests that I am at the high end for that level but I am not too sure of that.

      Is there a way to aggregate info on Blind? The folks on here seem to be quoting outliers at higher paying FNG.
      Feb 18, 2019

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