I got a pretty good offer for an MTS-3 role (I'm Senior at MS). Told Google to match it. The recruiter told me that the compensation committee most likely won't be able to match it. A 160/50/550 offer would have matched it. (+$5k base, +$150k GSUs compared to Google's initial offer). I want to go to Google, but cannot afford to compromise on compensation. What gives? I'm around Seattle. 10+ years exp. Is T4->T5 re-interview the only way to fix this mess?
It is no surprise that G pays peanut compared to obmc.
Sounds like ~300k TC for T4 is quite astronomical
^ This OP, why so greedy? https://www.teamblind.com/article/google-engineer---total-compensation-in-us---ultimate-post-jYcrij5X You got over 75% of all L4 around the country before sign on already. Especially considering the yearly bonus is usually 18-19%, not 15. Go prove you’re really that much better than thousands of other L4 and get promoted soon.
He’s a senior at MS... got downleveled hard. Looks like his interview performance was acceptable but not great.
Haha that sounds like a high L4 offer, if you really can't compromise on the comp, targeting L5 would be the only way.
Which should definitely be possible with your 10+ yoe
IF those were 10 years of growth. Sitting in a chair in Redmond for 10 years doesn’t mean you’re a great engineer. OP’s leveling means he’s basically equivalent to a strong candidate with ~2-3 years of exp.
Did you screw up something in the interview?
Did not indicate the correct level to interview for.
I did not know I needed to ask for the level first. Same with Oracle. Should have asked for Principal there (same as Senior at MS). There was one screwup on the last interview. I was too shocked when the interviewer told me that I'll be fired if I continue to work on my hobby GitHub projects in my free time. I was too shocked and probably asked too many questions.
Google doesn't consider Oracle a real competition when it comes to recruiting talent which is why they're not tripping over themselves to beat the offer. If you got that same competing offer from a tier1 company I guarantee Google would edge them out by 5-10%. Source: I'm a recent L4 at 165/50/600 with 5yrs of experience.
Google will not match most offers because I believe their benefits, WLB, job stability, and long term prospects are still unmatched today. For them to downlevel you to L4 and to lowball your offer is a common strategy they use. I think just push them and see how high they can go.
Without competing offers I doubt you have much room to wiggle if at all. Could be best to reinterview for higher level.
This is a generic question about Google hire. Based on what recruiter told me, L4/L5 depends on the performance in System Design question and past experience (not just number of years; which companies and how that background/domain expertise is relevant to Google). To get any offer one has to to sell in the coding (and domain specific, if any) rounds. Is this more or less a reasonable assumption to make based on how one’s job packet is evaluated by HC?
“A 160/70/550 offer would have matched it. “ So this would be 160 + 160 * 15% + 70 + 550 / 4 = ~391k TC first year if google matched it. OCI IC3 can go that high? Must be really top of the band or even a special approval?
This offer sounds crazy high. I doubt the Oracle IC3 offer is anywhere close to this. These numbers are even higher than the high end of an IC4 offer (according to Blind rumors).
Google definitely can match. They just don't want to match for your case. You don't have to take Google offer though. Go to somewhere paying you better and later join Google for even better comp. Show them that it's them who need you.
Can u explain what 160/70/550 and 5/20/150 means
I’m guessing salary/signing bonus/RSU money, all of which are in the thousands. OP, I’m guessing they can’t budge on the 150k if RSUs if my interpretation is correct. I’d look to maybe lose that if the other two can be reached?
Base/Signing Bonus/Equity