Google L4 vs Apple ITC5 (Bay area)

Oct 4, 2021 23 Comments

I’m choosing between these 2 offers:
Google L4 400k TC for 1st and 2nd years + 70k sign on
Apple ITC5 450 TC per year + 50k sign on

SDE, backend infra (Java), YOE 11, Masters, never been at FAANG before

Google downlevels, which is very unfortunate, but the comp seems good even for L5. I like Google more, but not sure if want to take a step back in career growth.

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Adding some thoughts why it’s not a no-brainer for me:
- what if I will underperform at ITC5 at Apple? I’m currently L5. At Google’s L4 I would easily get great performance reviews and bigger bonuses
- what if Apple’s backend infra tech is much lower quality that google’s and I will miss out on learning?
- what if Apple’s secretive culture will hinder my growth?
- what if I will be the smartest guy in the room at Apple and again miss out on learning?

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TOP 23 Comments
  • Google
    rand(1234)

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    rand(1234)
    Google L4 is not a down level; imho, it’s a disrespect negotiate with apple and sign around 600K
    Oct 4, 2021 1
  • Apple
    SacrlettJ

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    SacrlettJ
    Lol, Google gave you L4 at 11 YOE?

    King of down level
    Oct 4, 2021 0
  • Apple
    🍎rocks

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    🍎rocks
    ICT5 @Apple puts you in staff level engineers across all FAANG. Just reject Google L4 which is an insult given your YOE. You can reinterview with Google after a year for L5/L6. Also Apple ICT5 refreshers are pretty good.
    Oct 5, 2021 0
  • New
    ^*^

    New

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    ICT5 is like L6
    L4 is like ICT3

    Negotiate higher with Apple. Then tc-wise, Apple is better
    Oct 4, 2021 0
  • Apple
    p7vyt

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    p7vyt
    ICT5 and L4 are 2 levels apart, not just one. Don't accept L4. It's an insult with 11 yoe.
    ICT5 is a staff level (L6) and refreshers are really good.
    Oct 5, 2021 0