Blind tax: 161k I care about benefits like 401k,hsa, healthcare and wlb. Don’t care about the free food or clout. Google l3: with lowball base Base 115k Stock: 180k Sign on: 5k Apple ict4 Base 170k Stock 130k Sign on 45k In terms of jobs they are the same. Internal tools teams. I get the levels matter to some but I want a good wlb and I want good retirement and health benefits. Need them for family situation. In general is Apple really as cut throat as blind makes it seem? Promos at google from l3 to l4? #google #apple
Is this Seattle?
What role is this? Based on numbers, seems like Apple is the obvious choice.
What about the things I mentioned at the top that are important aside from the numbers?
The difference in base is too much.
ICT4 is Google L5
Google L3 to L4 is easy, L4 to L5 is political more than difficult. Once you’re at L5 it’s just rest and vest.
Apple. Unless you’re in OPS, WLB should be ok.
What is ops? Operations like what team?
ICT4 maps more closely to L5, it's better for your career in that regard Wlb depends on the team Apple is not cutthroat at all, but it is very top down culture and managers hold all the power, Google you have more control as IC Apple perf is simple for IC even on promo track while Google is the most annoying perf process I have ever experienced Google perks overall in HSA, insurance coverage and 401k matching is better than Apple but you can put the difference at 5k per year Apple does have more strict policies around communication and information, they have a disclosure system and it's difficult to find documentation, you have to be willing to ask people directly, this can be hit or miss depending on how extrovert you are And lastly many people in my org are quitting because Apple will never offer remote and because Apple does not allow working on open source projects for personal reasons even on personal time, Google does offer some romote roles and allows open source participation I think you should join Apple as it's better for your career, even if you don't like it you can interview as senior a year later
op can interview for senior even at Google a year later
Yes, I have seen that happen, get L3 don't accept, come back a year or two later as L5
You can get promoted in a year to L4. Seen this happening a lot recently because of being downlevelled. Google all the way. You will make a lot more in bonuses. Apple culture sucks, second to Amazon. You gotta do a lot of hero worship. Also, ask for L4 at Google leveraging apple's offer. Remember MSFT benefits > Google >> apple benefits. I don't care about buying apple products cheap. That's not a benefit.
Hc already decided on l3 I was under the impression that once decided it’s locked. Is that not the case?
I have seen hc giving follow up rounds for candidates I interviewed to get them L+1 offers. Not a guarantee though. Otherwise, If you are really confident, come and get promoted within. L3->L4 can be done in a year but l4->L5 can take 2-2.5 years.
Apple offer can be much higher. I was offered 310k for Seattle as an ICT3.
Stock is 130/180 per year or spread out over 4 years?
Are these final offers? Apple rsu can go way higher
Got go to 600k 4y