H1B system is not broken and is working as intended

Oct 12, 2019 47 Comments

I have been doing some thinking about the H1B program and I want to share my thoughts with the community. 

In my opinion, the H1B system is not broken and is working as intended. Bear with me as I try to explain why. 

I want you to think about this from the perspective of 1) American employers and 2) the American state. 

Employer Perspective: H1B program provides employers with a steady stream of young tech talent who are willing to work hard.  The employers have a reasonable amount of control over this employee through the visa and GC sponsorship. As a cohort of H1Bs starts to age, the employer can replace this talent with fresher, younger talent which is trained in the latest tech and is willing to work hard. 

From the American State’s perspective, keeping H1Bs on a long wait for GC is advantageous. A young tech worker arrives in his 20s, gets trained at an American University and works at an American company. He contributes to the overall economy by participating(consumption: cars, homes, etc) and paying taxes. As this young tech worker ages he has still not received his GC and his skills are becoming obsolete. By now, this worker is also tired of the H1B system and is now thinking of moving back to his home country. He will be replaced by a younger, more eager and more recently trained tech worker. This way the US doesn’t have to provide citizenship, GC and later pay Social Security for this worker. This cycle continues generation after generation. USA gets the most productive years out of tech workers and they return back(self deport) as they age. As long as there are high TC paying companies, the US can continue to use its leverage in attracting young talent without giving them GC. 

Agree/Disagree? What are your thoughts?

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TOP 47 Comments
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    Agreed. My thoughts exactly.
    Oct 12, 2019 3
    • Amazon 🐅 woods
      Except there is a plot twist. Companies eventually realize that senior engineers with deep expertise in a domain have a lot more value than recent grads.
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      The senior engineer is also 'most useful' in the context of his large corp in most cases. So in most cases, the company is not losing an asset with immense market value outside the US.
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Amazon 🐅 woods
      Except when that engineer can replicate that context at an overseas competitor.
      Oct 13, 2019
  • Ok so the government is too dumb to be playing 4D chess. You think the family chain migration, diversity lottery and refugee programs that account for 90% of legal migration are working perfectly?
    Oct 12, 2019 0
  • Prudential -asdf-
    Your logic is essentially the system of slavery perpetrated by the British.
    Oct 12, 2019 4
    • Google notestcode
      Yeah. Glad you see the point.
      Oct 12, 2019
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      No it isn’t. Slaves aren’t paid for their work and can’t quit a job.
      Oct 13, 2019
    • Google notestcode
      Pretty much same for H1Bs.
      Oct 13, 2019
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Except, they get paid and can quit.

      Don’t minimize slavery with bad comparisons.
      Oct 13, 2019
  • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
    Your long, thinly disguised post that actually criticizes the system only applies to one country out of 200+. Most immigrants from all over the world are perfectly fine with the way things are.
    Oct 12, 2019 3
    • Hulu a-list
      OP
      I‘m not criticizing the system, merely trying to present a fairly objective assessment of the intended consequence of the system’s design.

      Because of the lottery system, applicants from all countries have to try multiple times. I wouldn’t say it works perfectly fine for everyone.

      Overall, I agree with you, it works well for a lot of countries. The title of my post also implies the system works
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Your assessment is not really objective because you haven’t provided any hard evidence that shows the system was designed to take advantage of young labor from a particular country as you have claimed.

      All you have is conjecture bordering on conspiracy theory.
      Oct 13, 2019
    • Google / Eng
      zrhgoogler

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      zrhgooglermore
      That's a very high bar. You don't need a system to be engineered by an evil genius for it to be aligned with some interests.
      Oct 13, 2019
  • Prudential -asdf-
    My $0.02: The H1B system is broken, but it's too small of a demographic for politicians to care about. The government isn't intentionally racist, but H1Bs are simply too small of a population to waste legislative energy on.
    Oct 12, 2019 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      They also can’t vote and are taking jobs that could go to those that do. So the politicians have to balance out business owner interest with citizen worker interests.
      Oct 13, 2019
  • Microsoft / Eng dJrt22
    You forgot the part where we breed American citizens that can sponsor us when we age.
    Oct 12, 2019 0
  • Cisco klopppp
    Who is complaining about H1B system being broken? I thought the issue was only about awarding GCs. Anyways, your well thought analysis is a known fact(duh!). The complaint is that it's unfair.
    Oct 12, 2019 11
    • Cisco klopppp
      You clearly don't get what racism means.
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      I guess if I'm paying taxes for decades like everyone else, but live a restricted life (where you and your family can be asked to buzz off tomorrow), may never get to make use of that social security tax... that's the manifestation of "No Indians allowed".
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Cisco klopppp
      I feel your agony but that's not being racist. Everyone has equal opportunity. The issue is that there are too many people of one country which resulted to your experience.
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Do you want to phrase it as "discriminatory" rather than racist then?
      The "7% cap" might sound innocuous but if someone has to wait 20+ years for the same outcome that takes 1-2 years for anyone else, just because of a factor they had no control over (birth place), isn't that literally what discrimination means?
      Oct 12, 2019
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      “if someone has to wait 20+ years for the same outcome that takes 1-2 years for anyone else, just because of a factor they had no control over (birth place), isn't that literally what discrimination means?”

      Lol, that’s not discrimination because country caps is the same for everyone.

      In fact, one particular country gets more than 7% because of spillovers.

      But why is the world’s most populous country okay with the status quo but the second-most populous country can’t get enough of GCs even with spillovers?
      Oct 12, 2019
  • Slack YEFe45
    The green card system is the one that’s broken. If someone wants to stay in the country after years of working and paying taxes here why shouldn’t they be able to, more or less immediately.
    Oct 12, 2019 0
  • Siemens hN83us
    What if the employee gets enough experience and expertise that s/he wants to start a company and employ more people.. the state fails here.. h1-b only allows to work with sponsoring company, so employee feels stuck, they move around but don't take the risk of entrepreneurship and employ and expand the economy.
    Oct 13, 2019 2
    • Facebook
      TC💰💰

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      It exists. That’s what EB-5 is for.
      Oct 13, 2019
    • Siemens hN83us
      Not sure but doesn’t EB-5 is for targeted areas?
      Oct 13, 2019
  • Google
    yawhateva

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    yawhatevamore
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    Oct 12, 2019 1
    • NVIDIA zuberburg
      Is that how one confesses white guilt?
      Oct 12, 2019

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