ROW is concerned about the increased wait time due to this bill. ROW is asking Indians why not increase GC so that it will fix problem for everyone. ROW resented that Indians are working on a bill which would harm ROW, but what they are not realizing is that Indians would love to have more GCs because even with HR1044 many Indians will be waiting for many years. So the problem is more deeper, and wanted to provide my learnings here as an education. As an Indian, I would love to get 1m GCs for EB system suddenly tomorrow. There is a bill by Rand Paul S2091 which was created after HR1044 got approved in House. S2091 would solve the problem. But the bill has less than zero percent chance of passing. It won't pass for another decade. The problem is adding 1 extra GC is really really hard. Why? Republicans are moving towards merit based + point based system, and democrats are interested in a solution for undocumented & DACA, without that they don't want to solve the problem for EB. We need to understand both parties' views. Particularly, in democrats' view, undocumented and DACA have been fighting for a solution for really long time. Also they add value to the economy. So giving a solution to EB people while not giving any solution to undocumented and DACA is brutal to those people. Increasing even a single GC to EB system will happen as part of comprehensive immigration reform(CIR). Nobody knows when it will happen, no major reforms were executed for the past 20-30 years. Per country limits are already harming hundreds of thousands of people. Especially its discrimination nature is not an American thing. So you can see most republicans and democrats are already agreeing that per country limits shouldn't be there in any future proposed immigration reforms including S2091. So removing per country limits is an absolute minimum thing should happen as part of any CIR, and congressmen have arrived that mindset based on the learnings. Especially few of the congressmen expressed that they felt horrible when they learnt someone who is born today outside of India/China can get his GC 25 years from now while still people who came before him would be still waiting. That's one of the reasons you can see HR1044 got 365-65 votes, and its one of the few bills got bipartisan support. Even 140 republicans voted yes in house for that bill. Removing per country limits is the only possible solution at this point. So it is not Indians' intentions to harm ROW. So having this understanding of reality should help anyone instead of feeling bad about a group.
Keep beating that dead bill, eer, I mean horse
As an Indian surprised and then made cynical by the RoW backlash: - the loudest people - the nohr1044 folks know this but they don’t care. They pretend to not understand. They just want their gcs and they’re ok keeping Indians waiting forever if they get their gcs. The status quo suits them. - Iranians in particular are in difficult positions. Due to the Muslim ban their pipeline is to obtain gc directly after f1 opt. This is why Iranians students mobilized online so hard. - some other folks e.g. Filipino nurses have their own pipelines which are borderline abusive. This threatens those pipelines and they’re bound to hit back when their own practices are threatened. - American citizens unless misinformed largely don’t care even if sympathetic. This doesn’t affect them. Republicans and Dems both have managed to turn this into a zero sum game. And people are always going to, in the end protect the status quo when it suits them. We’re guilty of this too - I have Iranian and friends - who were affected by the ban (they have gcs now) I was at sfo at the Muslim ban protest. But now when I might be separated from my wife and kids I’m fine pushing for hr1044. It’s sad but it’s how it is. You can’t ‘convince’ anyone to give up privilege. You just have to fight
I just wanted my post to be educational post only. Let's not make this post as a fighting post between Indians and ROW.
lol, "American people being sympathetic". You must have missed their clear response here on Blind, since you got all of the threads deleted. I'll quote one particular comment from memory: "I don't want my kids to have to compete with people who are ready to work for food"
OP you don't get it, it's much bigger than just removing country caps. It's about letting one race dominate one field. You are spreading misinformation by saying that Americans don't object to it. Any American who is in Tech and well-informed objects to this ( Even Fox news talked about this multiple times) because it lets only Indians (who have already demonstrated illegal preferential hiring practices ) to continue to dominate IT. This is NOT in the best interest of the country. https://www.brightworkresearch.com/enterprisesoftwarepolicy/2019/01/31/how-indian-it-workers-discriminate-against-non-indian-workers/ The preferentially hiring practice is partly due to H1b entrapment, partly due to Indian attitude (cronyism, nepotism, bribes) and a genuine lack of tech talent. There are plenty of polls on blind on this topic and most Indians admit that this is a problem in the industry. https://www.teamblind.com/article/Is-Indian-Cronyism-a-Problem-wnTqjnzA https://www.teamblind.com/article/Young-unmarried-Indian-man-%F0%9F%98%A1-NLBHYD6j Even I support the removal of country caps, but only in the context of Merit-based system. In fact, I agree with what Tom Cotton said:" Workers should come in as Citizens, not visa workers because visa workers can be exploited" . IV talking point is that H1b is exploitative and I wholly agree!!! that is why the solution should not be to spread that exploitation to Non- Indian countries. Right now corporations are exploiting Indians stuck in backlog, HR1044 will put everyone in a backlog so that companies can now exploit all immigrants pitching them against American workers?? The talking points of IV are exactly why this bill should be passed. Tom Cotton's wants a merit-based system, fantastic !! let's help him go all the way. The only solution to this problem is for qualified workers irrespective of country of origin to be given a GC right away, no wait no backlog. A merit-based system will solve both DACA and backlog problem. Anybody who is qualified can apply for it and get a GC right away if most of GCs are awarded to Indians so be it.. they are clearly the most qualified. HR1044 is a scam pushed by IV and its scummy lawyer. PS: I AM NOT IRANIAN, it's INSULTING AND RACIST TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TO ASSUME THAT ONLY IRANIANS OBJECT TO THIS BILL. ITS A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT IV PUSHES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONLY ONE GROUP OBJECTS TO THIS BILL, IT CREATES A MORE TARGETED ENEMY FOR INDIANS TO FOCUS ON. ROW, EVEN CHINESE EB2/3 OBJECT TO THIS BILL AS DOES TRUMPS BASE(50% OF AMERICA) .
Apart from that, Chinese on EB1 and EB5 will benefit due to this bill. Also any Chinese with approved I140 before this bill becomes a law will also be guaranteed to get their GC usual time or better time due to no harm protection.
Haha, so many lies 🤣 Anyone who doesn't like your bill is an Iranian 🤣 Chinese LOVE the bill 🤣 Everyone is a racist 🤣🙈
The wait is inhumane to say the least. Why are people here missing the simple point - utilize the unused green cards in the previous year to the backlogged countries in the following year after that. This will ensure that: 1. Back logged countries get thier share. 2. People from non backlogged countries dont have to suffer the extra wait if caps were removed. 3. Gives a chance to uscis and dhs to the gc interview and filter out / revoke/ deny visas to those who have been staying illegally
This is already being done, that is why Indians get 20% of the quota not 7%.
More than 80% of the green card is still going unused. Why dont they take them all and distribute amongst the back logged countries.
Oh you guys are fighting here again. Don't you folks realize S386 would never pass. Why bother?
Please keep fighting more on blind. That is what matters
No point trying to convince others. Action speaks more than words. So stop trying to convince folks who won't understand and work towards what can be done.
It's not that ROW is cruel, it's just that they know indian firms will game the system and ruin it fot everyone just like the h1b. H1b has no per country limit and it has to do lottery every year bc most are applicant from India. Same shit will happen to the GC queue if this bill passes
75% of H1bs go to Indians and look what happened to that program - total domination by bodyshops paying 80k/year
I think every possible position of this issue has been explored. Congress isn't willing to do the heavy lifting required to fix this. Neither side of this debate is about to change their views. The issue keeps lagging on many people's lives are affected. The urgency is on the side of those that are backlogged, and that's about it. For each month the debate rages, the status quo remains, IV raises more money, Fresco gets to keep his soap box and Reps get their photo ops to make them look good. More talking points are added to justify a merit based system but no real bill is proposed. Then April comes around and 65% of the oversubscribed h1b applications belong to Indians and stakeholders realize that the dysfunctional system isn't deterring skilled labor. That's the reality. It doesn't matter what RoW do or say if the US wants to change things, they will! After all, the diversity visa lottery was created for the Irish!
Perfectly described. The faster you make peace with the idea that nothing is going to happen that clears the backlog, the faster you can think about what to do with your future.
Here we go. Another topic that will be closed soon.
Let's see. I just talked about the reality.
It's your opinion. Not reality