Help a new grad choose: MS (bing ads) vs. Palantir (gotham)

New MWYL07
Nov 24, 2019 32 Comments

About me: undergrad in CA, studying CS. one prev. internship at a startup.

Goals: Make a lot of money in the short and long term. Work hard to start and then chill more as I have kids.

Offers: (base/stock/signing)
MS - max new grad apparently
110/150 over 3.5 yrs/50 =~ 167/yr over 4 yrs
AI/R - Bing Ads (aka Microsoft Ads now)

Palantir - standard new grad
two options:
120 (20% bump guaranteed after 1.5 yrs)/30k rsu units with $6 valuation over 5 yrs/30 =~ 188/yr over 5 yrs
140 (20% bump after 1.5 yrs)/15k rsus over 5 yrs/30 =~188/yr over 5 yrs
full-stack work on gotham platform, software dev, not fdse

Current thoughts: Conflicted.
Palantir pays very well with the starting package and it seems like it continues to pay well with promotions / bonuses. Like the company culture, mission, and people seem smart. Potential for meaty returns from a very likely IPO (within 7 years as told by multiple people). On the other hand, the Bing/Microsoft Ads work seems more interesting and more likely to better set me up for the next job down the line (Goog/Fb/Twtr/Snap) b/c it's ads and a meaty product with traditional engineering challenges like QPS, petabytes of data, streams, building/modifying pipelines, etc... and it's revenue generating. Also potential to work on ML infra and/or models? People seem smart but the culture and people seem a little more bland/boring to me (but this doesn't matter too much to me).

Please correct me if I'm wrong about anything and/or add your thoughts. Feel free to project your start-over desires on me too if you want lol. AMA as well.

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  • New / Eng
    AmazonEng

    New Eng

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    AmazonEngmore
    Palantir is known to be harder to get into. Is this a SWE role at Palantir or FDSE? Because if it is forward deployed it’s a different story.
    Nov 24, 2019 6
    • New / Eng
      AmazonEng

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      Ok since these two jobs are just stepping stones, and you are obviously still considering Palantir cuz of TC I’d say go for Microsoft for the skills development and cuz you indicated clear superior interest in their projects. Then transition into the FAANGMULLAS (blinders correct me if I’m wrong) you want.
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Compass / Eng czw
      Not sure if Palantir is still hard to get into at this point. Everyone knows they're not doing so well
      Nov 24, 2019
    • Google / Eng
      sweSharp

      Google Eng

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      sweSharpmore
      Doing so well how? Not marketable to potential talent or financial performance?
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Microsoft tobegrad
      Just did Palantir onsite, as well as Snap and Google. Offers from all 3, Palantir was definitely the toughest.
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Compass / Eng czw
      Tough question != Higher bar
      Nov 25, 2019
  • Tesla / Eng 🐉⛈
    Let’s be real here - you probably won’t be at Palantir for more than 2 years so their rsus are practically worthless. I would go with MS then either become comfy and never leave or hop to a unicorn startup / FAANG.
    Nov 24, 2019 4
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      I would actually stay at Palantir until I hit some plateau in comp or learning or both. Why would their rsus be worthless even if I left after 2 years? RSU expiration is 7 years.
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Airbnb sjals
      Are you sure palantir is giving you rsus and not stock options? I had an offer from them a few months back and I guess things may have changed over that time
      Nov 27, 2019
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      100% rsus they say they moved on from options. Contract also says rsus
      Nov 27, 2019
    • Palantir yaaaaaa
      Can confirm, all new offers are RSUs now.
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
    Keep in mind Ms will have a large stock cliff at 4yr mark if you aren't promoted a few times, and maybe even still. Also, MS has annual refreshers and cash bonus which im not sure if youre including and 9.5k in 401k matching and minimum 2500 profit if you max ESPP and 800 a year for gym related stuff
    Nov 24, 2019 6
    • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
      Does palintir match 9.5k on your 401k? Most companies dont. Microsoft refreshers will be like 2k a year for you but will stack year over year. So take that for what its worth. Bonus at MS will be 0% if you suck, 10% if you do your job, and up to 20% for killing it. The bonus target is 10%
      Nov 25, 2019
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      you're right, checked again, palantir doesn't match 401k. thanks for the extra 10k! at other companies, do you need to kill it to get 10%?
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
      No idea. But most people who aren't dirtbags easily hit their target bonus at microsoft. This target expands to 15% target at l63 and 20% target at l65. Targets are only the midpoint.
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
      Other companies bonuses can be based off revenue, chargeability if you're a consultant, and other factors. Microsofts is based off your level. Going above target depends on budget and your performance.
      Nov 25, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
      I would choose MS for the first role in your career. Scope is important. It would set you up nicely for the future. Plus the other intangible perks are worth another 10k at least.
      Nov 25, 2019
  • Microsoft amitguu
    Palantir
    Nov 24, 2019 0
  • Palantir tzzQ73
    Obviously I’m biased, but I’d pick Palantir every time. Comp is strong, exit ops are strong (I would think better than MS, everyone I know who had left had an easy time picking their next firm), and the Gotham product is *really* cool - both the tech and the actual use-cases of the thing.
    Nov 26, 2019 1
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      Yeah the only thing that concerns me is the exit ops
      Nov 27, 2019
  • Palantir yaaaaaa
    Palantir. One of my best friends from school is at MS and he really hates the culture and people there. They also don’t give out meals and he works longer hours than me. The free meals taste good, are pretty healthy, and worth thousands of post tax dollars a year. I constantly feel really grateful to work at this company.
    Dec 5, 2019 0
  • Palantir ysYd23
    Palantir - gotham business set to explode after we sued the army and won. Commercial also coming together. Probably one of the best times to join tbh (in terms of stock appreciation)

    Fyi microsoft has 70x more employees than we do so take the poll results with a grain of salt lol
    Dec 3, 2019 0
  • Davey qXcz3askb
    Palantirs OAs are so tough :(
    Nov 24, 2019 1
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      it's a bit of a numbers game tbh. fail a bunch get a few. level up w/time
      Nov 25, 2019
  • Microsoft oWix2k
    I had the same choice, chose microsoft, am very glad I did
    Nov 24, 2019 1
    • New MWYL07
      OP
      why's that? and how long ago did you decide?
      Nov 25, 2019
  • Microsoft betaco
    Please do Microsoft a favor by joining Palantir...
    Nov 25, 2019 0

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