After seeing so many posts drumming up support for S386, packed with misleading statements and demanding "fairness", here is a post to seek support to permanently kill this selfish, repugnant bill. S386 removes the 7% per-country cap for Green Card (GC) approvals. This is being pushed by a well-funded pro-Indian lobby group. Immigration Voice (IV) has been at the front of this campaign. It's being pushed because there is currently a huge backlog of Indian applicants and their wait time has grown to decades (some claim 150 years). Even though Indians are effectively capped at 20% because they get spill-over quota from countries which don't use up their quota, they still have long wait times. The reason there is a huge backlog of Indians waiting for GCs is due to a couple of factors. Firstly, there is no per-country cap on H1Bs, one of the primary paths to a GC. Secondly, Indian Consulting Companies (ICCs) have exploited weaknesses in the U.S. immigration system. They submit multiple H1B applications per person, lie on the applications to make candidates appear high-skilled and other tricks. The U.S. immigration officials don't have the tools or resources to combat this fraud, so this has resulted in hundreds of thousands of low-skilled cheaters from India flooding the system. Even when consuming the spillover quota and getting 20% of GCs per year, with so many people waiting, wait times are massive. The tragedy of this is that there are honest, skilled Indians who are stuck waiting a long time for their GC because their country quota has been filled up by low-skilled cheaters. The proponents of S386 claim that removing country caps is "fair", and would have you believe that country caps are discriminatory. This is a flawed argument, and is blantantly selfish. The country caps are designed to ensure diversity in the skilled immigration intake. Diversity makes America stronger and it is our right to try and ensure that. Getting a GC is not a right, it is a privilege a lucky few get. Getting a H1B is not a promise of getting a GC. The effect of passing S386 is that Indians will consume the entire GC quota for the next 10+ years, assuming that there is no increase of cheating by ICCs and low-skilled Indian candidates. What this means is that candidates from the Rest of the World (RoW) will have to wait over 10 years before getting their GC whereas most countries currently have a wait time of under 2 years. Candidates from China currently have a wait time of 3-4 years (they are the second-largest skilled immigrant source) would also have their wait times exceed 10 years. There is a false narrative that Chinese candidates somehow support this "fairness" bill. In reality, most Chinese oppose this bill because they know they will suffer. S386 supporters are claiming Chinese support the bill in an effort to portray the bill as fair. Do not be fooled by this. There is another false narrative that all the opposition to S386 can be traced to Iranian candidates. There is no evidence to support this claim. Like any other group, Iranians have advocacy websites which oppose this bill. It's unclear why Iranians are being used as a proxy for the "opposition", but it could well be a cynical attempt to leverage anti-Muslim sentiment and the current tensions with Iran. Reasons to oppose S386: 1) If you are not Indian and want a GC, you will be screwed over. Your wait time will exceed 10 years. Sign a petition. Protest. Make your voice heard. 2) If you are American and you value diversity, call your representatives in Congress. Oh, and sign a petition and protest. It's our country and immigration should serve our interests, not the other way around. 3) If you are an honest, skilled Indian, whether or not you have a GC, you should be vocal against this bill. I understand if you are waiting a long time for your GC that you are frustrated, but if S386 passes you should expect that people assume you're one of the low-skilled cheaters, because statistically that pre-conception will be correct. You're going to have to prove your merit every time. 4) If you oppose rewarding cheaters or you want to keep the quality bar high, you should oppose this bill. S386 proponents try and play the sympathy card and talk about how it's unfair for honest, skilled Indians to wait so long. Yes, that's a shame, but dumping the problem on RoW (who have by and large not cheated) is unfair and the notion of giving all these cheaters a free pass is repugnant. Allow me to make an allegory. Family A does not care about sanitation, so they let the shit pile up outside the house on their property. The neighbours (B) are annoyed by the smell, but have no power to change it. They are grateful for having a strong fence. One day the shit starts overflowing into house A and they say "Sht inside the house is making our children sick, we must dispose of this shit", so they proceed to shovel the shit over the fence to B. When the neighbours object, they say "you are heartless, think of the children. Our children are innocent and have the right to a clean house. It's unfair for the shit to be unequally distributed". The point of this allegory is not to say that Indians are shit. It is a story to elicit an emotional response to help show why S386 is repugnant to everybody else. Read it from the point of view of family B. I don't have a problem with Indians. I have worked with plenty of smart Indians. I have worked for and hired and mentored Indians. I have a problem with cheaters and people who are selfish and entitled. In the story above, we (should) all feel sorry for the children of family A, since they are not at fault; it is their parents who are to blame. Even so, family B has every right to protect their property. Hollering "OMG! But think of the children!" is a disgusting, cynical attempt at manipulating the issue. If the per-country caps are removed, the problem of low-skilled cheaters from India will likely grow 10x worse as more people will realise they can get away with this cheating and get their undeserving hands on a GC. To solve the backlog problem, country caps should be introduced for H1Bs and other paths to GC, a rigorous merit test should be administered by the U.S. government, and people who do not meet the requirements should not enter a backlog but instead must leave when their temporary visa expires. That is a solution that gives certainty and relieves pain for the honest, skilled Indians waiting for a GC without rewarding and incenting the low-skilled cheaters. It is a solution that does not punish RoW for the problems coming from one country. I am an American citizen and I endorse this message.
Feel like ur Indian who got GC and opposing this now 😊
Options: A) maintain status quo B) allowing Indian backlog for GC to be relatively quickly reduced - allowing many "undeserving" immigrants in with the few "deserving" ones C) overhaul - set quotas on specific countries like India and/or validation of skills with penalties for lying for the company and/or a number of other ways to restrict the abuse of the system
Number of Indians in the backlog can not be reduced by that law. Only the speed of growth of that number will be reduced. The only 2 principal ways to clear backlog are either to give more green cards, or to reject excess applicants.
Another option would be to amend S386 to reject all H1B, L1 and OPT applications from Indian applicants for the duration of the GC backlog processing. This might make RoW feel less bad about being blocked from getting a GC for the duration of the backlog processing. I'd be interested in hearing if RoW candidates would like this tradeoff? If you have previously claimed that the backlog processing will only take 2-3 years, then this is just a minor blip for those people in India who are thinking of applying for H1B. If the backlog processing takes 10+ years, then it might motivate you to campaign to fix the underlying problems that led to the backlog. It will let in some cheaters in the backlog, but at least it would take away the claim that suffering Indians stuck in limbo for decades are being punished for the misdeeds of some. Clearly, not getting a H1B, L1 or OPT in the first place is not being left in limbo. During the backlog processing, Congress will hopefully fix the systemic problems leading to the backlog, otherwise after things return to "normal", the backlog will just grow again.
H1B scam should be fixed. GC queue should be double vetted and undeserving candidates should be removed. This will happen once the country quota is removed as only then everyone will understand the pain.
I’m an indian and I agree with OP. I did my Master’s from a reputed university and am stuck in this line because of these ICCs and fake body shops. I support a merit based system. If the current system doesn’t change, I don’t mind going back to India. There are ample amount of opportunities back home
Body shops should be closed, but no point in blaming individual tech workers. OP does not support any change in system.
Wow. Your reading comprehension is lacking. Check out the paragraph starting with "To solve". ROFL.
This post will get banned by community soon. OP, embrace it while it lasts. Thank you for writing so many words. Unfortunately there is a flaw in the blind system, which can be manipulated by trolls just the same way how Indian companies manipulate the h1b system.
Why are you so afraid of competition? Are you not good enough to compete with other talented individuals? Stop spreading such hate speech. If there was enough tech supply, there would be no H1B.
Afraid of competition? Really? I'm in the top 1% of TC and IQ. ICC "graduates" are not in my league. You are so blinded by self-interest that you resort to calling it hate speech because I made a thoughtful post which shines a light on the real issue. You clearly don't have a meaningful refutation.
Whats your TC and IQ? Blind will decide what league you are in.
This x 1000
Flagging it for hate speech.
Why is this a hate speech? You can handle the competition but NOT the truth? lol
And flag Amazon qq for false flagging 🤪
Indians are going to abuse GC as they did with H1B.
Few things to clarify: First of all bill is officially dead. So it has to start again from scratch in 2021. H1B is abused by companies not individuals. Even bill is not passed there will be abuse - so raise your voice and ask for reform. S386 has nothing to do with H1B abuse Backlog is not due to H1B - there is L1 and F1 Visa. If there was no backlog, believe me every 2nd Indian will come for F1 and get GC There is 0 impact to diversity as there is no change in number of immigrants and non-immigrants coming. Even wait is 150 years they will not leave US
Absolutely. Some even have the patience to wait till their kids turn 21 and then sponsor them. Then 150 years magically becomes 30 years.
Wrong on all counts