Misc.Oct 19, 2019
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High-Yield Savings Account

Given ~2% is barely above inflation, what APR would it take to make a high-yield savings account interesting to you? Second question: What’s the next best option to generate low-to-no risk cash flow? Municipal Bonds? Renting? Lending DAI?

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Clover Health sinkinship Oct 19, 2019

Wait, YOU'RE asking US?!

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

You! Yes YOU in particular. Thoughts?

Clover Health sinkinship Oct 19, 2019

Well, I'm former NerdWallet, so you wouldn't be interested. ☺️

Cornerstone infstone Oct 19, 2019

S/He gonna pitch that in his/her company

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

Yes, I’ll pitch the CEO, “raise the interest rate.” Brilliant, @infstone.

Deloitte Makiavelli Oct 19, 2019

cash was the best asset of 2018

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

That’s true: Cash out performed the market’s -6% return in 2018, but that’s not generally the case, and it’s never been the case over 10+ year time horizons.

Airbnb TSfW65 Oct 19, 2019

Past performance does not guarantee future returns.

Amazon takeiteazy Oct 19, 2019

2% is current market rate for savings account. Good enough for me.

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WscU36 Oct 19, 2019

Can you share what banks in bay area (or online ones) currently offering FIDC insured 2% savings accounts?

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

@WscU36 - You’ll have to go to a FinTech company like Robinhood, Betterment, Wealthfront, or Credit Karma to get 2%. Chase and Wells Fargo literally offer 0.01%. I’m not recommending one FinTech in particular; I have a conflict of interest. ;)

Google The Old Nite Oct 19, 2019

2% APR savings A/C is already interesting for my investments that warrant negligible risk.

Earnin TpfV36 Oct 19, 2019

Marcus (Goldman Sachs) and Amex both have 1.9% rates right now.

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

That’s certainly within the margin of error!

Airbnb YdSR51 Oct 19, 2019

Wealthfront at 2.07

D. E. Shaw & Co. WXia81 Oct 19, 2019

If you’re in a high tax state/high tax bracket, state-appropriate Vanguard muni money market funds strictly dominate savings accounts. Taxes turn 2% in a regular savings account into 1% right off the bat; with muni money markets, you currently get around 1.3% but get to keep all of it. Savings accounts have limits on the number of monthly transactions, muni MMs don’t. I’m not saying the returns are particularly exciting either way, but cash has to sit somewhere. Longer duration muni bond funds are certainly a very easy way to generate low-to-no risk cash flow at longer horizons. Renting or lending are much more high-touch and the risks are considerably lumpier (especially with renting, which is hard to diversify). I get my renting kick with a Vanguard REIT in a tax-deferred account.

Credit Karma KrmaPolice OP Oct 19, 2019

Thanks, @WXia81, this is very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to put together such a detailed answer. I learned about Vanguard REIT and I ended up finding some interesting high yield municipal bond mutual funds. I don’t expect to have to pay any taxes on my 2% high yield savings account however. There must be some threshold where I don’t have to report the three-figure (max) gains...

D. E. Shaw & Co. WXia81 Oct 19, 2019

There is no de-minimis exception when it comes to reporting ordinary interest income, and it gets taxed as regular income. You get a 1099-INT, the numbers get reported to the IRS, the IRS sees the difference and doesn’t care where it comes from when it sends you the automated audit form.