How do Google refreshers work ? How much for L5 SWM ?

New EOLj48
Dec 5, 2019 12 Comments

Hi,

So I am supposed to get an offer from Google very soon, but it is dragging a lot.
Instead of signing and joining in December, it now appears that would be in January.

If my understanding is correct, it means I won't get a RSU refresh for 2020.

I intend to negotiate a higher sign-on bonus to make up for this, because the delays were absolutely on their side.

What is the usual RSU refresher for an average employee SWM L5 ?
I assume something around 50K ?

Thanks

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  • Google Dr. Pepper
    what the hell is a SWM
    Dec 5, 2019 1
    • New EOLj48
      OP
      Software engineering manager
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Snapchat 🐨 koala
    Sorry to say but I generally have no respect for L5 managers. I'm surprised Google offer this externally. A lot of L5s can't even get their own shit together let alone effectively managing people. Of the cases I've seen, their reports' career are miserable.

    To answer your question, refreshers are generally a little over 100k, should be no different from a regular L5 SWE.
    Dec 5, 2019 5
    • Amazon hi-123
      Is this split by 4 years? So, 25k per year?
      Dec 5, 2019
    • Snapchat 🐨 koala
      Yeah this is over 4 years. Could be higher If performance is better.
      Dec 5, 2019
    • Amazon hi-123
      Sweet. As they give refreshers every year, this would keep compounding? In 4th year the accumulated refreshers would be over 100k?
      Dec 5, 2019
    • Snapchat 🐨 koala
      Yes that is how it works!
      Dec 5, 2019
    • New EOLj48
      OP
      @koala: I take the growth and well being of my reports very seriously and I feel accountable for it. It is not a light responsibility. I've been managing people for several years and all my past reports have grown quite a bit. I never had to deal with burn out, and my teams have always been performing okay with proper WLB.

      During my career, I had poor managers myself and I know how disastrous it can be, so I do my best to be a good one. I'm sorry if you had to deal with a bad one.

      The level offered to an external hire may not correspond to the same amount of experience than what internal promos at the same level have. It's possible some people get to L5 too quickly. It is possible that Google offered me L5 because I am an external hire - but maybe the corresponding internal promo experience would be L6.

      With that being said, thank you for the info about the refreshers !
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Google Mvrck9
    L5 SWM ?? Interesting. Care to share your offer ?
    Dec 5, 2019 1
    • New EOLj48
      OP
      Need to stay anonymous. I might have said too much already.
      Dec 6, 2019
  • Unity kanuma
    What did you end up doing?
    Dec 8, 2019 0
  • Capco dmodemd
    As I see it, starting in January is essentially 100K less than starting 12/31. Not doing that pro-rated is just bad form IMHO.
    I am in the same situation where it does not appear I can get onboard in Dec. I brought this up to my recruiter and asked for something to balance that out. I know you can get some discretionary bonus from the manager but who knows, and it won't be 100K I bet. Recruiter just said I would still be eligible for a "raise" whatever that is... I already was offered a decent signing bonus and know I can't get 100K on top of that! Will just have to press on the GSUs portion more if it is a 2020 start.
    Dec 6, 2019 0

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