How smart are Amazonians in comparison to engineers from Fb, Google, Microsoft and Apple?

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r6

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r6
Aug 20, 2017 70 Comments

I had internships in Google and Facebook and now I work for Amazon a second year. While I'm proud that the company had achieved as a whole I feel that our top SDE2/3 across the company are on the level with an average Google / Facebook engineer at the best. It was a normal that the person who works near you is winner of ACM/TopCoder/etc, that ML guy is on the top of Kaggle, that unsocial wierdo in the corner is Chess grandmaster and the girl from IT desk can assemble Rubik's cube under 15 seconds. In Amazon almost all people I communicate with - the ordinary Joe. I'm not trying to offend my colleagues or myself by any means - we're all working very hard, learning, building products for millions of people. I often feel myself like a minion from Despicable me. But I clearly can see that amazians don't program after the work, not that curious, not obsessed with anything, and generally regular people (IQ) unlike majority of Facebookers and Googlers I worked with.

I would like hear from other people who worked in 2+ companies from big 5 - how do you compare engineers from that companies. Thanks!

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  • Google / Eng
    ungoogley

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    ungoogley
    Very few people at Google, or elsewhere I'd imagine, and groundbreakingly intelligent. Most are just average. Quite a few are below average
    Aug 20, 2017 11
  • Amazon
    Yzat36

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    Yzat36
    Winning at ACM & TopCoder doesn't necessarily translate into being a good exhaustive software developer.
    Aug 20, 2017 1
  • Intuit
    first6mos

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    first6mos
    Don't worry, later on in your career you will find out some of the following:

    1) Not all smart people want to work hard.
    2) Smart people who want to work hard can see more work to do than their manager. They're too busy to talk to someone they haven't already heard of.
    3) People who work hard consistently will outperform the #1 group but not be able to quote white papers or other trivia back at you.
    4) Some people will do crap work to be around their role models or gain experience
    5) Some people lead a less privileged life and didn't get to finish college
    6) Some people haven't had a good nights sleep in years, for good and bad reasons.

    7) Currently, almost every American has to work to eat.
    Aug 20, 2017 5
    • Intuit
      first6mos

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      first6mos
      I had to edit, but let me try rephrasing again.

      People who have been at 2+ big 5 companies are unlikely to have been on a good team AND part of the Blind userbase.
      Aug 20, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      eth

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      eth
      first6mos you can't back up that statement with anything other than personal anecdotal experience
      Aug 22, 2017
  • Amazon
    awssdm

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    awssdm
    I worked at Microsoft. Same deal -- there is a distribution with only a few exceptional people. I suspect it's the same everywhere. Besides, I'd rather work with well adjusted engineers that can get stuff done than with idiot savants that can only blast through competition problems
    Aug 20, 2017 1
  • Amazon
    OhMeOhMy

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    OhMeOhMy
    A lot of this is team dependent. My team (it is an ML team, so a mix of SDEs and scientists) has rockstar engineers, a chess grandmaster, successful startup founders, AI PhDs, top tier MBAs, and hobbyist quants trading currencies. However, those of us over 32-35 years in age also have family obligations and thus no longer spend all our free time working on Open Source projects and other personal coding adventures. I think if you look at the highly desireable and selective teams at Google and Amazon you will see similar things. If you find yourself surrounded by unimpressive people at Amazon, look at other teams in areas where there is a lot of innovation going on (robotics, ML, drones, NLP, computer vision, and many more). Hit up jobfinder, demonstrate that you have the initiative to learn a real research area, and there will be tons of opportunity.
    Aug 20, 2017 8
    • Amazon
      OhMeOhMy

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      OhMeOhMy
      Technically, he is still an IM but his rating is just under 2500 so within a hairs breadth of it. As for what MBAs do, product and management still exist, right?
      Aug 20, 2017